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Messaggio da AlphaSierra » 26 novembre 2007, 14:06

TNT in talks with Airbus about launch of new-build A320 family freighter programme
By Max Kingsley-Jones
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Airbus is talks with TNT Airways about the launch of a new-build A320 family freighter programme, but the ongoing sales surge for the passenger version could threaten the project.

The Liege, Belgium-based express package carrier is planning a "massive purchase" of narrowbody freighters to replace its Boeing 737-300F fleet and support its growth plans, says the airline's managing director Niky Terzakis.

"We put proposals to both Airbus and Boeing about new-build freighters. Airbus has been far more responsive than Boeing - it has worked quite hard to come up with proposals," he says.

The creation of a new-build single-aisle cargo aircraft would be a first for Airbus, which has so far only offered the A300-600F and A330-200F as factory-new freighters.





Terzakis says the discussions, which also involve leasing companies, envisage the production of standard passenger A320/A321s that would be ferried "green" to the EADS EFW plant in Dresden for the installation of the passenger to freighter (P2F) conversion kit that is being developed by the Airbus Freighter Conversion (AFC) joint venture with Russia.

The proposed TNT programme, dubbed G2F for "green to freighter", is mainly focused on the A321 airframe due to its larger payload and volume, says Terzakis.

Sources say that some 2012 production slots had been earmarked for the first G2F airframes, but these are believed to have since been allocated to customers for the passenger aircraft.

"With sales remaining strong out through 2012-13 for passenger A320s, the G2F proposal has struggled to generate traction," says a source, who adds that the project may end up stillborn.

Terzakis says that "there are ways to get delivery slots" for the G2F programme, and remains hopeful that the project could become a reality, but concedes that TNT may have to opt for the P2F conversion of secondhand airframes. "We aim to make a decision by early next year," he says.

While Airbus's chief operating officer customers John Leahy confirms discussions are being held with TNT, he says the G2F proposal "isn't the formula we've got. There is a big fleet of 20-year-old A320s out there and that's what it is."

Terzakis says another pressing concern is the replacement of the nine A300B4 freighters that serve TNTs European network. "If we go with Airbus for the single-aisle, the cockpit commonality benefits could push us to the Airbus widebody freighters," he says.

While the new-build A330-200F would be one option, Terzakis says that with volume rather than range being the carrier's main driver "we are looking at the A330-300 P2F". He says the replacements are needed by early in the next decade.


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molto interessante la maggiore intenzione di un programma P2F piuttosto che un basico G2F, considerando che nella prossima decade alcune compagnie inizieranno a dismettere i primi a32x.
Fas hai maggiori news sul programma?

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Messaggio da FAS » 26 novembre 2007, 14:13

Fas hai maggiori news sul programma?

se ne parla almeno da tre anni....
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Messaggio da Nik » 26 novembre 2007, 16:06

se ne parla almeno da tre anni....
Davvero?Mai sentito prima d'ora :D
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Messaggio da Gozer » 26 novembre 2007, 16:38

Nik ha scritto:
se ne parla almeno da tre anni....
Davvero?Mai sentito prima d'ora :D
Non t'hanno avvertito? :shock:

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Messaggio da Fearless flyer » 26 novembre 2007, 16:55

Gozer ha scritto:
Nik ha scritto:
se ne parla almeno da tre anni....
Davvero?Mai sentito prima d'ora :D
Non t'hanno avvertito? :shock:
Maurì però poi non dire che io non te l'avevo detto eh... :roll:

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Messaggio da Gozer » 26 novembre 2007, 17:08

Fearless flyer ha scritto:
Gozer ha scritto:
Nik ha scritto:
se ne parla almeno da tre anni....
Davvero?Mai sentito prima d'ora :D
Non t'hanno avvertito? :shock:
Maurì però poi non dire che io non te l'avevo detto eh... :roll:

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Messaggio da aponus » 9 dicembre 2007, 22:13

Cambiano i 320?

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Messaggio da AlphaSierra » 9 dicembre 2007, 22:21

aponus ha scritto:Cambiano i 320?
si parla di 2 strade da percorrere

G2F green to freighter, ossia la creazione di una versione cargo nativa

P2F pax to freight, ossia la conversione di esemplari attualmente pax

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Messaggio da FAS » 10 dicembre 2007, 7:09

p2f é la scelta piú caldeggiata...

le risorse adesso sono tutte sul 330f
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Messaggio da albert » 3 giugno 2011, 23:24

Rispolvero questo vecchio thread, perché in un comunicato stampa rilasciata in data odierna Airbus ha deciso di interrompere il programma di conversione P2F dell'A32x, per mancanza di aerei disponibili, data la forte richiesta di A32x passeggeri usati. I pochi aerei senza mercato hanno un numero di cicli troppo elevato per potere essere proficuamente convertiti.

http://www.airbus.com/newsevents/news-e ... rogr/home/


"June 2011 Press Release

Airbus, EADS EFW and their Russian partners, United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) and IRKUT, have jointly decided to stop the A320/A321 Passenger to Freighter (P2F) conversion development programme for economic reasons and, therefore, to launch the necessary legal procedures for the termination of the joint venture “Airbus Freighter Conversion GmbH (AFC)”.

Recent market developments, including the success of the upcoming A320neo, have resulted in more demand for A320 passenger aircraft and less for freighter versions in this aircraft category. In addition, strongly growing passenger traffic results in high demand for used A320 Family aircraft, thus reducing the amount of aircraft available for conversion.

Against the backdrop of these market changes and the increasing pressure on the P2F business case, the partners have concluded to stop and freeze the P2F programme.

The joint venture “Airbus Freighter Conversion GmbH (AFC)” was established between EADS EFW, Airbus and the Russian companies UAC, IRKUT, in April 2007. Headquartered in Dresden, Germany, AFC was equally divided between Russia (UAC and IRKUT with 25% each) and EADS/Airbus (EADS EFW 32%, Airbus 18%). The partners have decided to dissolve AFC.

The collegial and professional cooperation in this joint venture over the last four years developed by Airbus/EADS EFW, UAC and IRKUT, has strengthened the partnership between the European and the Russian aviation industry. IRKUT and Airbus will continue their partnership in components manufacturing for the Single Aisle programme."
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Messaggio da atalanta89 » 4 giugno 2011, 15:56

Per completare la notizia:

http://www.aviationweek.com/aw/generic/ ... onversions
Airbus Scraps A320 Freighter Conversions

Airbus is abandoning its A320 and A321 passenger-to-freighter (P2F) conversion program, saying demand for the airliner version means there is not adequate supply for a conversion program.

“Recent market developments, including the success of the upcoming A320NEO, have resulted in more demand for A320 passenger aircraft and less for freighter versions in this aircraft category. In addition, strongly growing passenger traffic results in high demand for used A320 family aircraft, thus reducing the amount of aircraft available for conversion,” Airbus says, adding that “against the backdrop of these market changes and the increasing pressure on the P2F business case, the partners have concluded to stop and freeze the P2F programme.”

Airbus was working with its sister-unit EADS EFW and Russia’s United Aircraft Corp. (UAC) and Irkut on the conversion program. As a result, the joint venture for the business, Airbus Freighter Conversion, has been terminated. Ownership of the joint ventuer was 32% EADS EFW, 18% Airbus, and 25% each for UAC and Irkut.

Work on one A320 prototype aircraft, provided by AerCap, was already underway, although series production had not, yet, been initiated. First flight of the aircraft was due this year.

AerCap had already had an agreement with Anglo-Swedish cargo airline West Atlantic to be the launch operator of the A320 P2F aircraft. The airline was to lease three aircraft starting next year, with options for four more.

Airbus would not disclose financial terms linked to the cancellation of the program, including any penalties owed to customers such as AerCap.

The move also is a setback for Airbus to expand its freighter activities. The aircraft maker has long-bemoaned that its cargo portfolio is far smaller than rival Boeing’s. However, the cancellation of the P2F initiative, along with the decision several years ago not to proceed with the A380 freighter, leaves Airbus with the A330-200F as its only active freighter product. The aircraft maker still signals the A380 freighter may be revived, and an A350 freighter is also in the long-term plan.
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