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Re: JSF

Messaggio da MatteF88 » 14 giugno 2012, 17:14

Seoul to rely on simulators to evaluate F-35 for F-X III contest

Tests of the F-35 are being conducted this month. Officials from Seoul's Defense Acquisition Programme Agency will evaluate the Boeing F-15 Silent Eagle in August, and the Eurofighter Typhoon in September.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... st-373006/


Non potendo provarne uno vero (peró lo osserveranno durante lo sviluppo)...lo fanno tramite un simulatore (vale poi per tutti gli altri acquirenti del Lighting II)
Mentre piloti coreani verranno in Europa a provare il tifone..

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Messaggio da ELTAR » 14 giugno 2012, 20:16

MatteF88 ha scritto: ... vedremo mai i nostri typhoon multiruolo? Sono un eretico??
No... Si...
Ho pianto, ho riso... Ho fatto scelte sbagliate, altre giuste... Sono amico di molti, voglio bene a pochi, non odio nessuno... Parlo poco ma dico sempre quello che penso... Qualcuno mi vuole bene, altri mi detestano... Pazienza è la vita!

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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 14 giugno 2012, 20:39

ELTAR ha scritto:
MatteF88 ha scritto: ... vedremo mai i nostri typhoon multiruolo? Sono un eretico??
No... Si...
Sob :cry:

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Messaggio da ELTAR » 14 giugno 2012, 21:16

Aspetta... Altro che sob!! Non solo non vedremo mai i nostri Typhoon swing role ( termine più corretto), ma è probabile che non avranno mai l'AESA e l'integrazione del Meteor ( per non parlare del trust vectoring)!!
Ho pianto, ho riso... Ho fatto scelte sbagliate, altre giuste... Sono amico di molti, voglio bene a pochi, non odio nessuno... Parlo poco ma dico sempre quello che penso... Qualcuno mi vuole bene, altri mi detestano... Pazienza è la vita!

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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 14 giugno 2012, 22:17

ELTAR ha scritto:ma è probabile che non avranno mai l'AESA
Doh!
ELTAR ha scritto:e l'integrazione del Meteor
Ok, dovremo farci bastare gli amraam..
ELTAR ha scritto:per non parlare del trust vectoring!!
fantascienza!! :lol: :mrgreen:

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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 15 giugno 2012, 17:23

La Norvegia dopo parecchi tentennamenti s'è decisa:
The Norwegian government has kicked off the purchase of its F-35A Joint Strike Fighters after years of discussions and a recent budget move to adjust procurement plans.

The deal also puts the Kongsberg Joint Strike Missile on a path to integration on the fighter, which Norway sees as key to achieving its industrial goals.

“The decision to move forward was reached following an extended dialogue with the U.S. Department of Defense aimed at securing opportunities for Norwegian industry,” the Norwegian defense ministry says. U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta assured his Norwegian counterpart, Espen Barth Eide, that JSM integration would take place. The commitment was secured in a letter this week, the Norwegian government says.

Several other F-35 partners have shown interest in the weapon, which is still in development. Norway sees potential sales of $3.3 billion to $4.2 billion for the missile.

The F-35A commitment is for the first two of 52 aircraft to be purchased over the program’s duration. The program’s cost for Norway is put at around $10 billion.

The two aircraft now ordered are to be used for training and will be based in the U.S. Two more F-35s are to be acquired for that purpose, with all four aircraft to be in place in 2016. The 48 other F-35s are to be based at Norway’s Orland Main Air Station, with deliveries to begin in 2017, the defense ministry says.

The Evenes base will be used as a forward operating location to help secure Norway’s interests in the north. The base projects that it will host 10% of operations.

The Norwegian parliament this week signed off on a budget increase needed for the deal.
http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... 468335.xml

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Messaggio da richelieu » 15 giugno 2012, 18:07

Quel che più importa per il paese nordico è l'integrazione del suo missile "JSM" nel sistema d'armi destinato al "Lightning II" .....
..... U.S. Secretary of Defense, Leon Panetta, in a letter sent this week assured his Norwegian counterpart, Espen Barth Eide, that JSM integration on the JSF would take place .....
Fonte ..... http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.aspx? ... 20972f5ec9

Immagine

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Messaggio da richelieu » 15 giugno 2012, 20:42

Il "GAO" la vede brutta .....
Joint Strike Fighter restructuring continued throughout 2011 and into 2012, adding to cost and schedule.
The new program baseline projects total acquisition costs of $395.7 billion, an increase of $117.2 billion (42 percent) from the prior 2007 baseline.
Full rate production is now planned for 2019, a delay of 6 years from the 2007 baseline.
Unit costs per aircraft have doubled since start of development in 2001.

Fonte ..... con annesso l'intero rapporto in PDF ..... http://www.gao.gov/products/GAO-12-437

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Messaggio da richelieu » 16 giugno 2012, 23:44

Arrivano gli stanziamenti per il settimo lotto LRIP .....
Lockheed awarded $489.5 million contract for F-35 long-lead items 

By: Dave Majumdar (Washington DC) ..... 16 hours ago

Source: Immagine

The US Department of Defense is awarding Lockheed Martin a $489.5 million contract to provide long lead-time items required for the seventh F-35 low-rate initial production lot.

Lot VII production for the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter will consist of 35 aircraft according to a DOD release. That includes parts for 19 conventional takeoff and landing (CTOL) aircraft for the US Air Force, six short take-off/vertical landing (STOVL) aircraft for the US Marine Corps, and four carrier variant aircraft for the US Navy.

Also included in the contract are parts for three F-35As for Italy and two more CTOLs for Turkey. These are also provisions for one STOVL jet for the UK.

The contract also provides for long lead-time efforts needed for the incorporation of a drag chute into the F-35A model for Norway.

"This long-lead funding will help ensure that the F-35 program continues to meet production schedules outlined by the programme," Lockheed says. "This is an important milestone in paving the way for the acquisition of these aircraft, and a major step forward in bringing the F-35's [fifth] generation fighter capabilities to the men and women of our armed services and international partners."


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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 17 giugno 2012, 22:05

A novembre, salvo imprevisti, il VMFA-121 (Marines) potrà iniziare l'attività addestrativa sullo F-35B (a Luglio di ritorno dal Giappone lasceranno gli F/A-18D), dopo che i primi test pilot dell'USMC avranno raggiunto 120 ore su quella macchina:
The US Marine Corps will stand up its first operational Lockheed Martin F-35B squadron this November if everything goes according to plan, a senior service official says. Prior to that, the USMC hopes to formally start training new F-35B pilots in October at Eglin AFB, Florida.

"VMFA-121 will now be the first squadron to stand-up in Yuma, [Arizona]," the senior official says. "They will stand down as an F/A-18D squadron in July once they return from deployment to Japan."

The desert base should get its first jet in November, the official says. But that is contingent upon starting up the F-35B training pipeline at Eglin, he says.

There are currently two USMC test pilots flying at the Florida base, but that number will soon increase.

"We should start getting additional pilots qualified in July," the official says. "Training will still be delayed until we get at least 120 hours of maturation flying, but I am hopeful we can start training students by October."

Once the additional USMC aviators are qualified in the F-35B, those pilots will be able to help bang out the 120 hours quickly.

"We will be close, but I think we can do it," the official says.
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... er-373070/

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Re: JSF

Messaggio da MatteF88 » 22 giugno 2012, 23:20

Volo notturno per la versione navalizzata:


Inoltre:
Lockheed Martin F-35 test pilot Bill Gigliotti answers the question, "would you be worried about flying on a single engine for flights over water or remote regions?"
Risposta veloce (1 minuto..non sbottoniamoci troppo eh..):

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Re: JSF

Messaggio da sidew » 23 giugno 2012, 10:13

Quando usavano gli A4 Skyhawk, A7 Corsair II, F-8 Crusader, si saranno fatti questa domanda?
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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 23 giugno 2012, 11:52

sidew ha scritto:Quando usavano gli A4 Skyhawk, A7 Corsair II, F-8 Crusader, si saranno fatti questa domanda?
Boh, nel frattempo ti riporto un articolo di qualche annetto fa scritto poco prima del roll out del F-35C

When Lockheed Martin rolls out the F-35C on July 28, US Navy pilots will be one step closer to operating a single-engine fighter off a carrier deck. The DEW Line contributor Dave Majumdar explores this issue with an active F/A-18 pilot with more than 1,700 flying hours, who asked to remain anonymous.

If there is any doubt that the US Navy aviation community will accept a single-engine fighter, such as the F-35C, one pilot has a clear answer: That "decision has been made" already and, after all, "the Navy is not a democracy".

But concerns about the issue among rank-and-file pilots clearly linger.

The F/A-18 pilot says the Navy has worked hard to get to a point where only twin-engine jets were serving on the decks of carriers.
In a single engine aircraft such as the Lockheed F-16, "a failure in any engine component that leads to a loss of thrust or flame-out equates to a quick attempt to try to troubleshoot the problem for a few seconds before making the decision to eject. In a Hornet, by contrast, even a total single engine failure can be ignored" if the situation warrants it, the pilot says.

Ideally, he adds, in the event of an engine failure, "flight can easily be maintained at a safe altitude while carrying out emergency procedures".

When the tri-service Joint Strike Fighter programme was formed in the late 1990s, however, one area in which the Navy was forced to accept compromise was propulsion.

"The only way to meet the requirement was with one engine", says Steve Weatherspoon, Lockheed Martin's Deputy Test Verification officer for the F-35 Integrated Test Force. 

Weatherspoon says the Lockheed-led team has worked hard to increase the reliability of the sub-systems surrounding the engine.

For example, the F-35's Integrated Power Package (IPP) provides constant backup power to the control systems, he noted. Similar redundancies are found throughout the aircraft he said, minimizing risks. Weatherspoon also points out that the reliability of single engine fighters has significantly improved in recent years while mishap rates have gone down.

But Lockheed must overcome perceptions of propulsion-induced mishaps accumulated and passed down among naval aviators since World War II.  While single engine aircraft have come a long way with regard to reliability, on many occasions the loss of an engine is due to external causes.

During his early years flying with the Navy (piloting the F-14 Tomcat), for instance, the F/A-18 pilot described one particular incident. While aerial refueling the cover for the aircraft's probe broke off on contact with the "basket" and was ingested into an engine -- totally destroying the machinery. "Flames shot out from that engine", he says.

During another incident, he says he had witnessed a Hornet from his air wing land on a carrier with one engine shut down while the other engine, severely damaged, brought the stricken aircraft home.  Upon launch from one of the catapults earlier, the aircraft had ingested foreign object debris into both engines. Only the twin-engine configuration had saved the aircraft from disaster, he says.

While the Hornet pilot was less than enthusiastic about the single engine configuration, other facets of the F-35C intrigued him. This was especially true of jet's stealth and sensors.
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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 23 giugno 2012, 12:20

Mi pare non se ne sia parlato in questo thread, ma un paio di anni fa si sono accorti che il motore del JSF, il PW F135, è troppo grosso per essere trasportato a bordo di una portaerei da parte di un C-2 Greyhound, o di un CH-53 o un V-22...o meglio, nonostante venga smontato in 5 parti, la parte piú grossa non è compatibile con il portello di carico del C-2 e del V-22.e, agganciato al gancio ventrale dello Stallion e dell'Osprey, comporta un autonomia di meno di 300 miglia in buone condizioni meteo..inoltre, sempre le grosse dimensioni e il peso ne impediscono il passaggio da una nave da rifornimento alle attuali portaerei..
The naval variant of the military’s fighter jet of the future arrived at Naval Air Station Patuxent River, Md., on Nov. 6, a development that means the Navy and its industry partners are satisfied that the jet can safely perform basic flight maneuvers and is ready to tackle more demanding tests.

Behind the scenes, however, the Navy is struggling to remedy a significant design oversight that poses a major potential hindrance to its ability to successfully deploy and maintain the F-35C Lightning II, the carrier-based variant of the joint strike fighter: Its powerful single engine, when packed for shipping, is too large to be transported to sea by normal means when replacements are required.

“That is a huge challenge that we currently have right now,” said Capt. Chris Kennedy of the JSF Program Office, answering a flier’s question about JSF engine resupply following a public presentation on the state of the program at the 2010 Tailhook Symposium in September in Reno, Nev. He said the program office is working with the Navy staff and carrier systems planners to solve the problem.

Regular wear and tear, as well as mishaps such as an engine sucking a foreign object off a carrier deck, make the availability of replacement aircraft engines critical. High-tempo combat operations only increase the need. Carriers typically pack spares, but heavy demand can drain those stores, requiring at-sea replenishment.

However, the F-35C’s Pratt & Whitney F135 engine, contained in its Engine Shipping System, is too large for the cargo door on a standard carrier onboard delivery plane and for the V-22 tilt-rotor aircraft, the program office acknowledged in a response to a follow-on query from Navy Times. The engine can be broken down into five component parts, but just its power module and packaging alone won’t fit into the COD or the V-22.

The JSF Program Office says the V-22 Osprey, like the MH-53E helicopter, can externally carry the F135 engine module, the heaviest of the five components, at least 288 miles “in good weather.”

One outside analyst, Jan van Tol of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, wondered how the Osprey, in hover mode, could safely lower the module to the flight deck or pick up an out-of-service engine in higher sea states, given the heavy downdraft the aircraft’s 38-foot rotors generate when the engine nacelles are in the vertical position. When so positioned, with the aircraft hovering over the flight deck, the rotor wash can also affect sailors standing nearby – particularly those attaching the load sling, van Tol said. The GAO reported in 2009 that during shipboard exercises, the V-22’s downwash was so severe that in one instance, a sailor was directed to hold in place the sailor serving as the landing guide.

Heat could also be a problem. Depending on the amount of heat generated, sailors involved in sling operations could possibly be forced to wear heat-resistant suits, van Tol said.

Moreover, the Navy has no fleet V-22s and has no plans to acquire them. The Marine Corps flies the MV-22, but the Navy amphibious groups that carry its forces and aircraft to distant shores generally do not operate in the vicinity of carrier strike groups.

The 9,400-pound engine module and transport container also cannot not be transferred from a supply ship to a carrier during underway replenishments — when two ships are sailing side-by-side and connected by supply lines — because, Kennedy said, “It’s too heavy for the unrep station.”


The coming Gerald R. Ford-class carriers will have underway replenishment stations that can handle the load, Kennedy said. But the first Navy F-35 squadrons are scheduled to deploy between 2015 and 2018, when there will be one Ford-class carrier in the fleet. The second won’t be commissioned until four years after the first sets sail. The current Nimitz-class carriers will dominate the fleet until the 2030s.

“You’ve got a very complex aircraft — and there are many, many interesting technologies in this — where it’s tough enough to consider the operational and technological factors,” van Tol said. “But apparently, they’ve not looked as carefully at second- and third-order issues.”

NOT THE FIRST PROBLEM
The JSF program was launched in the mid-1990s; system development and demonstration contracts were awarded to design contract winner Lockheed Martin and engine builder Pratt & Whitney in 2001. The Navy currently plans to buy 680 F-35s, including the “B” short takeoff, vertical landing variant and the “C” carrier variant. It has only one F-35C operational flight test model, operating out of Pax River, according to Lockheed Martin.

The apparently unforeseen engine transportation issue is yet another snag in a controversial program that has seen lagging flight tests, cost overruns and other unannounced concerns — problems laid bare by a Government Accountability Office report released in March. The mounting issues prompted Defense Secretary Robert Gates to fire the program’s top official in February, impose what amounted to a $614 million penalty on Lockheed Martin and order a major restructuring of the program.

The program’s director since May, Vice Adm. David Venlet, recently briefed top Pentagon officials on the program’s status, including “additional issues that are of concern,” Gates spokesman Geoff Morrell said.

Taken together, the problems threaten to further increase program costs and complicate immediate spending plans. The House wants to limit the number of aircraft purchased in fiscal 2011 unless certain performance milestones are met; the Senate Appropriations Committee, citing various concerns with the program, has approved a spending bill that cuts 10 of the 42 jets the Pentagon has requested.

NAVY: ISSUE WITH ALTERNATE, TOO
The resupply issue likely won’t add fuel to the fire still burning in some congressional circles for an alternative JSF engine made by General Electric and Rolls-Royce — one strongly opposed by the Pentagon. That engine would have similar transportability issues.

“The F136 would have similar dimensions and modularity,” said Navy spokeswoman Capt. Cate Mueller.

The F136 would use the same transport system, thus making it unable to fit into a COD or V-22.

Mueller said “multiple options” for transporting spare engines to aircraft carriers are being considered in the discussions referred to by Kennedy, which also involve Marine Corps officials. Solutions being evaluated, she said, include “developing a low-profile engine transport system that would fit in the back of Navy and Marine aircraft; prepositioning spares on [carriers and amphibious ships]; and prepositioned spares located at forward-deployed operational areas that can be quickly transported to ships.”

Officials also are evaluating “the usefulness of existing containers with the V-22, MH-53 and C-2 aircraft,” she said.

A low-profile rail system would allow the engine — which by itself is not too large for the cargo doors of the COD, the MH-53E or the V-22 — or its modules to slide off the trailer and into the aircraft, Mueller said. A separate maintenance transfer trailer would be needed on the carrier for the transferred engine.

As is current practice, commercial carriers would be employed to supplement the military’s ability to transport spares to forward locations, Kennedy said. Planners have also modeled carrier capacity to store additional engine modules, a concept he said is “one of the challenges we’re working today.”

Storage, even on a ship as big as a carrier, is a precious commodity, van Tol pointed out. “The storage was always at a premium, no matter how large the ship was,” said van Tol, a retired Navy captain who commanded three ships, including the amphibious assault ship Essex. “Not only that, you have to be able to store it in such places that the yellow gear — the handling equipment — can actually move the engines around to where the jets are that are [having engines] replaced.”

Carriers carry spares for embarked aircraft with engines that are repairable underway. A carrier typically deploys with about 35 spare, fully assembled F404 or F414 engines for its Hornets and Super Hornets, respectively, according to Lt. Aaron Kakiel, a Naval Air Forces spokesman.

All told, the program’s multiple problems “increase the risk that the program will not be able to deliver the aircraft quantities and capabilities in the time required by the war fighter,” GAO concluded. The Marine Corps wants initial operational capability of the JSF by 2012, with the Air Force and Navy by 2013.

However, Naval Air Systems Command said in 2009 that because of the many unresolved issues with the program, the Marine and Navy goals are “not achievable.” The Pentagon’s Director of Operational Test and Evaluation told GAO that it projects the initial operational testing of the full war-fighting capability of the JSF by mid-2016.

By the time initial operational capability is reached, Mueller said, the F-35C engine resupply issue “will be completely addressed.”

GAO did not raise the engine transportability issue while discussing the program’s logistical challenges, but it found that the Air Force faces a parallel problem: The current integrated support system for its JSF variant is limited in scope and would prohibit two detachments from one squadron simultaneously — another limitation that “will severely affect current operating practices.”

At the current Pentagon estimate of $382 billion, the JSF is the military’s most expensive acquisitions program. Under the Pentagon spending plan for fiscal 2011, each aircraft is projected to cost $112 million — or, when research and development costs are factored in, about $133.6 million in constant fiscal 2010 dollars, according to the Congressional Research Service.

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http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/11/n ... g-112910w/
[Per la cronaca, l'F136 (il propulsore alternativo) è saltato...]

Sapete se ci sono notizie piú fresche riguardo a questa grana? :mrgreen:

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Re: JSF

Messaggio da richelieu » 27 giugno 2012, 17:48

Riporto dall' odierna edizione del "Daily Report" dell' AFA .....
F-35 Sensors Track Ballistic Missiles in Tests

Northrop Grumman announced (1) June 26 that it recently demonstrated the ballistic missile detection and tracking capabilities of its AN/AAQ-37 distributed aperture system (2) and AN/APG-81 active electronically scanned array radar.

These sensors are featured on the F-35 strike fighter, but were resident aboard the company's BAC1-11 test bed aircraft during these tests, which the company coordinated with five NASA experimental rocket launches.

"Northrop Grumman demonstrated these ballistic missile tracking modes with only minor modifications to the baseline F-35 radar and DAS software," said Jeff Leavitt, vice president of Northrop Grumman's combat avionic systems business unit.

The DAS and APG-81 autonomously detected, tracked, and targeted multiple, simultaneous ballistic rockets, according to the company's release.

DAS detected all five rockets—which were launched in rapid succession—and tracked them from initial launch well past the second-stage burnout, notes the release.

This wasn't the first time that DAS tracked ballistic missiles (3).
Links .....

(1) ..... http://www.irconnect.com/noc/press/page ... l?d=260297
(2) ..... http://www.airforce-magazine.com/DRArch ... anger.aspx
(3) ..... http://www.airforce-magazine.com/DRArch ... omise.aspx

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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 27 giugno 2012, 19:40

Interfaccia "customizzabile", i piloti potranno salvare la disposizione dei pannelli multifunzione a loro piacimento e l'aereo la memorizzerà...un po' come la posizione dei sedili sulle auto di lusso... :mrgreen:


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Re: JSF

Messaggio da FAS » 28 giugno 2012, 10:07

MatteF88 ha scritto:Interfaccia "customizzabile", i piloti potranno salvare la disposizione dei pannelli multifunzione a loro piacimento e l'aereo la memorizzerà...un po' come la posizione dei sedili sulle auto di lusso... :mrgreen:


e per quelli che cambiano a seconda della fase della missione???
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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 28 giugno 2012, 11:20

FAS ha scritto:
e per quelli che cambiano a seconda della fase della missione???
Non lo so, sottopongo la domanda su youtube? :mrgreen:

Nuovo missile a/g della MBDA (integrabile su F-35 e Typhoon) :
To be shown for the first time as a full-scale mock-up at the Farnborough air show, the Spear concept would use a turbojet engine and a wing kit to provide a stand-off range of about 100km (54nm). "Speed and range are the two main drivers" behind this configuration, says Rob Thornley, export working group leader for MBDA UK.

Immagine
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Immagine
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Messaggio da sidew » 28 giugno 2012, 11:43

MatteF88 ha scritto: Immagine
Spettacolare il Typhoon in configurazione strike...
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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 2 luglio 2012, 17:55

I Giapponesi han firmato per i primi 4 di 42 esemplari, gli sono costati piú del previsto ma il saldo totale resta di 60 miliardi di Yen grazie allo sconticino sui due simulatori..

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... 472589.xml

Banzaaaai!!!
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Nel frattempo anche la versione C ha volato con carichi esterni..due AIM-9X..
http://www.jsf.mil/news/

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Messaggio da richelieu » 2 luglio 2012, 18:55

MatteF88 ha scritto:Nel frattempo anche la versione C ha volato con carichi esterni..due AIM-9X..

http://www.jsf.mil/news/
Immagine spettacolare (da una delle tre copertine dell'ultimo numero di "AW&ST") .....

Immagine

..... scattata lo scorso 14 Giugno in occasione del primo volo di un F-35B con un carico di armamenti asimmetrico .....

http://www.jsf.mil/news/docs/20120621_A ... EAPONS.pdf

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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 2 luglio 2012, 20:49

Bella!
Il primo esemplare italiano quando volerà? Si sa già?

Mi piace l'F-35...la versione C su tutte, per via dell'ala piú lunga...anche se c'è da dire che era facile fare un aereo piú bello di quello sgorbio volante dello X-32..
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Re: JSF

Messaggio da richelieu » 2 luglio 2012, 21:53

MatteF88 ha scritto:
Il primo esemplare italiano quando volerà? Si sa già?
Si sa che per ora ne sono stati ordinati tre esemplari (versione A) nell' ambito del 7° lotto "LRIP" .....
Also included in the contract are parts for three F-35As for Italy and two more CTOLs for Turkey. These are also provisions for one STOVL jet for the UK.
Fonte (già citata precedentemente) ..... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ms-373071/

..... ma altri quattro (sempre A) erano già stati ordinati nel precedente 6° lotto .....

Fonte ..... http://wiki.scramble.nl/index.php/Lockh ... ghtning_II

..... mentre si era rinunciato ad acquistarne due facenti parte del 3° e 4° lotto .....
Accordingly, Italy has dropped plans to buy its first of two early examples of the F-35 in the third lot of the programme's low-rate initial production phase. The purchase of a planned second F-35 in LRIP lot 4 is also now unlikely.
Fonte ..... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... me-317602/

Si deve però tener conto che quest'ultima informazione risale a circa quattro anni fà e che, nel frattempo, sono state apportate parecchie modifiche ai piani di produzione ..... quindi ..... :?:

Quanto alla data del primo volo di un nostro esemplare ..... un altro :?: ..... almeno per quanto mi concerne .....

Se qualcuno ne sa di più ..... :mrgreen:

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Re: JSF

Messaggio da MatteF88 » 2 luglio 2012, 23:24

Non ci resta che aspettare pazientemente allora.. :bigsmurf:

I tanti pro e gli altrettanti contro nei dubbi inglesi riguardo alla scelta tra F-35B e F-35C, che si ripercuotono sulla configurazione delle future portaerei..

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... 469434.xml

..eh sí, sono abbastanza incasinati. :mrgreen:

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Re: JSF

Messaggio da richelieu » 5 luglio 2012, 20:45

Dopo i dubbi degli Inglesi ..... riemergono ora quelli degli Olandesi .....
Dutch Plans To Buy F-35 Fighter Jets In Doubt .....

The Netherlands should scrap plans to buy F-35 Joint Strike Fighter jets because it cannot afford the project’s ballooning costs as the country attempts to cut spending, a majority of parliament said on Thursday.
Fonte ..... http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... 473999.xml

Se non sbaglio ..... i velivoli destinati all'Olanda dovrebbero essere assemblati a Cameri ..... :mrgreen:

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Re: JSF

Messaggio da richelieu » 6 luglio 2012, 20:30

Mentre il parlamento olandese vota contro .....
Dutch Parliament Votes Down JSF .....
http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.aspx? ... 7e84a627e0

..... ma sembra che, almeno per ora, non ci sia da preoccuparsi .....

It will not lead to action in the immediate future. The government said before the vote - led by the PvdA (Labor) party - that it would not act on it, mainly because it is a stop-gap coalition pending elections on September 12.

..... l' "Air Force Research Laboratory" finanzia lo studio di nuovi armamenti .....
AFRL Moves Ahead on Bunker-Buster for F-35 .....

http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.aspx? ... db096866b8

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Re: JSF

Messaggio da richelieu » 8 luglio 2012, 23:25

Un'assenza importante .....
JSF Chief a No Show Again at Farnborough .....
Fonte ..... http://www.aviationweek.com/Blogs.aspx? ... b2baaabb96

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Re: JSF

Messaggio da Fabio27 » 10 luglio 2012, 1:52

E te credo che a Farnborough non va nessuno. Gli aerei dei test non hanno mai superato angoli di attacco di 20°, e già così presentano pesanti fenomeni di buffeting. Per ampliare l'inviluppo di volo occorrerà aspettare fine 2012, ma i risultati completi dei test si sapranno solo nel 2014. A quel punto saranno da rifare tutti gli aerei già costruiti (la Lockheed ha avuto la geniale idea di avviare la produzione prima che i test cominciassero). Solo tra giugno 2010 e novembre 2011 i test hanno rivelato la necessità di 725 richieste di cambiamento principali (major Change requests). Sarà un caso, ma intanto Boeing sta lavorando con i coreani all'F-15 Silent Eagle, e la stessa Lockheed si para l'afterburner continuando a sviluppare la vecchia cellula dell'F-16. La mia impressione è che l'F-35 farà una fine non diversa dall'F-22, con la produzione prematuramente conclusa, la messa a terra lo scorso anno per quattro mesi, problemi non risolti al sistema di ossigeno e una media di ore di volo possibili di 15 al mese. Succede sempre così, quando si tenta di costruire una macchina buona per tutte le missioni.

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Re: JSF

Messaggio da ELTAR » 10 luglio 2012, 2:11

Che il programma presenti dei problemi è ovvio. Come tutti i programmi aeronautici di rilievo. Che LM abbia peccato di arroganza, non nel concetto principale, ma nella pianificazione, altrettanto.
Io sono un convinto assertore del concetto multiruolo fino agli estremi e di risultati apprezzabili ce ne sono stati, in primis lo F-18.
Nel concetto multiruolo è ovvio che si possono avere delle performance/capacità ridotte ma può essere poca cosa rispetto alle potenzialità che può offrire una piattaforma simile.
Del resto in Europa abbiamo forse il miglior asset mondiale, nel senso che risponde al top al requisito di difesa/superiorità aerea e nel contempo può espletare in modo più che soddisfacente le missioni di interdizione, CAS, SEAD, TASMO. Guarda caso il requisito reale per le esigenze di molti paesi europei ( direi tutti ad eccezione di due), in primis del nostro, soprattutto per il concetto di politica estera che ha da sempre espresso.
Ho pianto, ho riso... Ho fatto scelte sbagliate, altre giuste... Sono amico di molti, voglio bene a pochi, non odio nessuno... Parlo poco ma dico sempre quello che penso... Qualcuno mi vuole bene, altri mi detestano... Pazienza è la vita!

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Re: JSF

Messaggio da richelieu » 10 luglio 2012, 8:39

Fabio27 ha scritto: ..... e la stessa Lockheed si para l'afterburner .....
:lol:

Comunque ..... guardate un pò questa ..... http://www.difesa.it/Sala_Stampa/rasseg ... dfIndex=10

..... è una notizia che circolava ieri nel web ..... questa mattina la riportava il "Corriere della Sera" .....

A quanto pare ..... gli "anti F-35" stanno facendo proseliti anche a destra ..... :shock:

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Re: JSF

Messaggio da richelieu » 10 luglio 2012, 23:47

Roba da "Star Wars" ..... :shock:

Immagine
Farnborough 2012: This is the most advanced flight helmet, ever.
The F-35′s Helmet Mounted Display System

Fonte ..... http://theaviationist.com/2012/07/10/fia12-hmds-genii/

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Re: JSF

Messaggio da MatteF88 » 10 luglio 2012, 23:58

Fabio27 ha scritto: Gli aerei dei test non hanno mai superato angoli di attacco di 20°, e già così presentano pesanti fenomeni di buffeting. Per ampliare l'inviluppo di volo occorrerà aspettare fine 2012, ma i risultati completi dei test si sapranno solo nel 2014. A quel punto saranno da rifare tutti gli aerei già costruiti
:shock: wow! Questa me l'ero persa...

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Messaggio da richelieu » 11 luglio 2012, 8:56

Un lungo articolo ..... nel quale si fa il punto sul programma .....
First Bomb Drop Ahead For The F-35

By Amy Butler (Washington and Fort Worth) - July 09, 2012
Source ..... Immagine

Pentagon officials are satisfied with the pace of flight testing in the nine-nation F-35 Joint Strike Fighter program. However, the initiation of pilot training has once again slipped and prime contractor Lockheed Martin's production pace fell behind owing to a recent strike at the company's Fort Worth final assembly plant.

Despite these hurdles, the project—which has been mired in turmoil for years because of delays in flight testing and multiple multibillion-dollar cost overruns—has “nothing shocking or alarming going on,” says Vice Adm. David Venlet, the Pentagon's F-35 program executive officer. “This is a time of quiet stability for the program.”

Venlet opted not to attend the Farnborough air show, choosing instead to remain in Washington to oversee the program's progress. Senior defense officials from the U.K. will, however, be traveling to Lockheed Martin's Fort Worth facility this month for a ceremony to commemorate acceptance of their first F-35B.

Training for F-35 pilots is slated to begin no earlier than 2013, according to U.S. Air Force Col. Andrew Toth, commander of the 33rd Fighter Wing at Eglin AFB, Fla., the first F-35 training wing. This will mark when the Block 1B software needed for flight training is slated for delivery to Eglin.

Meanwhile, program officials are focused on continuing the pace of flight trials, a key requirement to continue burning down the excessive concurrency between the testing and production phases. In recent months, a major focus has been on preparing for the first F-35 weapons drop, which is slated for the fall, says Venlet.

The test team has already executed load and fit trials for the weapons bay. The aircraft has also been flown in various maneuvers with the weapons bay loaded and doors open to evaluate stresses. This includes carriage of 5,200 lb. of munitions supersonically. Finally, the aircraft has been loaded for external carriage of weapons; though this negates the aircraft's low radar cross section, the external positions offer more flexibility for users to carry various munitions and missiles.

“The lessons are tracking with our predictions,” says Steve O'Bryan, vice president for F-35 business development for Lockheed Martin.

The lessons, however, are not considered major by Venlet, who describes the fixes as merely tweaks to various bolts and supports needed to ensure that maneuvers in the most stressing regimes can be executed. The first weapons test will include a bomb drop, followed later by the release of Raytheon's AIM-120C7, the medium-range air-to-air missile of choice for allied nations. Weapons testing was a major requirement for Lockheed Martin's portion of its fee for the F-35 development contract in 2012.

Though Venlet is satisfied with the progress of weapons testing on the aircraft, other work continues to lag. The Block 2A software—which will facilitate expanded weapons capability (such as the use of precision-guided munitions), improved sensor fusion in the cockpit and data-linking—was slated to be delivered late last year for testing. It will now be delivered to the fleet in low-rate-initial-production (LRIP) 4 aircraft at the end of this year, says Orlando Carvalho, F-35 vice president at Lockheed Martin. The 2A software is being tested by F-35As at Edwards AFB, Calif., and is slated to be used in training in July 2013, says Lorraine Martin, Lockheed Martin's F-35 deputy program manager.

This software is behind about three months, says Venlet. Though he characterizes the delay as small relative to the overall test program that continues through 2017, it is a “very serious three months for me,” he notes. When the program was rescheduled in 2010, some capabilities—including various radar modes, data-linking capabilities and messaging formats—were slipped to Block 2 from Block 1 in order to simplify the work into more achievable increments, he notes.

The 2A software, which has begun flying at Lockheed's facility in Fort Worth, was slated to be delivered for flight testing in midsummer, says Venlet. The lag is partly owing to a slip in developing the 1B software release last year. 1B will be delivered on the LRIP 2 and 3 aircraft, and includes basic navigation, communications, sensors and “limited simulated weapons,” according to government officials. This software package will be used for initial flight training at Eglin; currently aircraft there have the 1A software. The 1A package supports basic pilot training and qualification as well as maintenance training.

However, the 1B release to Eglin is near, according to government officials.

The U.S. Air Force needs the 1B software in order to begin its F-35A operational utility evaluation (OUE), a three-month phase of flying required to determine if the aircraft are ready to conduct routine training operations. Toth says his wing plans to use all six F-35As at Eglin for the OUE phase, and pilots will follow the 1A software syllabus, which will include only basic flying and navigation. The first six weeks of the plan will be restricted to academics for the trainees, and the final six will include flights.

Four pilots will participate in the OUE phase.

Data generated from the OUE, such as sortie turn rates and aborts, will be used by Air Education and Training Center Commander Gen. Edward Rice to assess readiness for formal training.

F-35A flights are ramping up from roughly eight per week in June to 14 in July and 16 in August, says Toth. The F-35B just began flying at Eglin and achieved 6.7 hr. in the air as of May, the latest available figure.

The Marine Corps plans an OUE process similar to the Air Force's prior to beginning formal pilot training for the F-35B, though the time required may be trimmed owing to lessons learned from the Air Force. The Marines, meanwhile, are required to conduct 120 hr. of local familiarization flights prior to beginning their own OUE.

Toth says it is unclear whether a mini-OUE will be needed in the future for additional software releases.

The F-35s employing the 1A software at Eglin are slated for retrofit to the 1B package, a process that should not take more than two weeks per aircraft, he says.

Though expected in December, a trove of LRIP 3 aircraft carrying the 1B package is slated for delivery to the Florida base this month, says Venlet. All 17 of the LRIP 3s have been assembled; nine are flying and awaiting acceptance by the Pentagon, says Michael Rein, a Lockheed Martin spokesman. This type of delay is “not unnatural early in a program,” says Venlet, adding that a “healthy delivery” is expected soon, once the paperwork is complete. LRIP 3 includes seven F-35As for USAF, seven F-35Bs for the Marine Corps, two F-35Bs for the U.K. and a single F-35A for the Netherlands.

Challenges with the multilevel security required on the 1B software pushed the effort behind, Martin acknowledges. She says Lockheed intends to reduce the three-month slip as much as possible. And an additional laboratory established as part of the $4.9 billion restructuring last year is helping. It is now being converted to testing the 2B software, which will be the package used by the Marines to declare initial operational capability following flight testing.

The 2B release will allow for basic close-air-support and interdiction activities as well as initial air-to-air and data-linking capabilities. Weapons included will be the AIM-120C7, Joint Direct Attack Munitions and the GBU-12 laser-guided, 500-lb. munition.

Overall, the software requires 9.3 million lines of code, 8.5 million of which is already being tested on the aircraft or in the laboratory, says Martin.

In addition, the Pentagon has broken the Block 3 increment into two pieces—Block 3I (initial capability) and Block 3F (full capability), says Venlet. “We don't want to throw too much in it so that it can't be done,” he says, noting that Block 3 may also include some regression work from Block 2B. The 3I package, to be installed on aircraft in LRIPs 6-8, will include the 2B release rehosted on new computer hardware, selected to handle obsolescence issues. The 3F tranche will feature new capabilities that are key to the F-35's core mission‚ such as multi-ship suppression and destruction of enemy air defenses as well as new air-to-air and air-to-ground modes. This package also will include the full complement of weapons carried internally and externally on the aircraft, says Venlet. It is slated for inclusion on the LRIP 9 aircraft, and defines the capability that will be available at the end of the development phase of the program in 2017, he notes.

Once the process is stable, Venlet says the program office hopes to issue a software refresh every two years.

Talks with allies on what capabilities and weapons will be included in Block IV are in the early phases, he says. This block is likely to be approved in 18 months, with initial capabilities slated for delivery in 2020. The U.K. is pushing for inclusion of the Advanced Short-Range Air-to-Air Missile, and Norway is promoting inclusion of the Joint Strike Missile into this package—though country-unique requirements must be paid for by the participant wanting that capability.

Lockheed Martin, meanwhile, is making measured headway on two snags that came to light in testing: jitter, latency and night acuity in the Vision Systems International (VSI)helmet system, and lackluster performance of the original F-35C tailhook design.

VSI is implementing fixes to the helmet, which is designed to replace a head-up display and project symbology, day or night, onto the pilot's visor. “Small software tweaks” are needed to fix the latency issue, Lockheed Martin officials say. Slight delays cropped up during the most stressing mission scenarios, they note. A solution for this and the jitter involves installing new micro-internal measurement units. This fix is being tested this summer, says Martin. Massachusetts Institute of Technology's Lincoln Laboratory also is crafting a new camera designed to resolve the night acuity problem; it is slated for testing later in the year.

In the meantime, BAE Systems is working on an alternative helmet design which does not include the night camera, but will employ night-vision goggle capabilities.

Critical design reviews for both helmet systems are set for the fourth quarter of this year. “We have some choices ahead that will be very useful,” says Venlet.

Work also continues on a redesigned tailhook and dampener for the F-35C. The original design failed to grasp the arresting wire in slow, ground-based trials last year. Carvalho says Lockheed Martin began testing the tailhook—which has a sharper point designed to scoop under the wire—in May and it “caught the wire every time” in ground tests. Work is also underway on the dampener, and Venlet hopes to see it tested by early fall. The first arrested landing on a runway is expected in 2013. The aircraft is due to start carrier trials at sea in 2014.

Now Lockheed Martin is hoping to make up for lost time stemming from a strike at its Fort Worth facility. Venlet says that during the disruption, the company was able to achieve about 40% of the planned work using salaried employees and temporary staff. At the start of the strike, the company had only enough workers for a single shift, but after several weeks a second shift was added, improving throughput. Don Kinard, a senior fellow at Lockheed in Fort Worth, says the company has prioritized final assembly of the LRIP 4 aircraft, but officials still plan to try to deliver all 30 aircraft expected in 2012 by year-end, “though there is some pressure on that,” says Carvalho. Options include adding a third shift of workers. Although the company may not be able to recover the schedule, “I wouldn't necessarily say that we can't recover cost,” he says.

The LRIP 4 contract, which is 57% complete, is thus far running over the target by about 7%, says Venlet. Though the company will exceed the estimate at completion, says Carvalho, “we believe that differential is smaller than reported.”


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Re: JSF

Messaggio da MatteF88 » 11 luglio 2012, 11:00

The Pentagon has accepted delivery of three conventional-takeoff-and-landing (CTOL) variants and one short-takeoff-and-vertical-landing (Stovl) version, says Marillyn Hewson, the incoming chief operating officer of Lockheed Martin, F-35 prime contractor.

The low-rate-initial-production (LRIP) 3 aircraft were slated for delivery by the end of 2012. All 17 of the stealthy fighters in this lot— two F-35Bs for the U.K., one F-35A for the Netherlands, seven F-35As for the U.S. Air Force and seven F-35Bs for the U.S. Marine Corps — are off of the company’s Fort Worth assembly line.
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The four new aircraft, which include the Block 2A software, will join 12 already at Eglin AFB, Fla., Hewson says. The Block 2A software will feature a new multi-level security package.
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http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... 475105.xml

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Re: JSF

Messaggio da richelieu » 12 luglio 2012, 17:48

Così parlò il generale .....
Italian Air Force Lieutenant General Paolo Civalleri told Reuters at the air show that his country was satisfied with progress on the plane.
Everybody is comfortable; the only problem is the budget”, Civalleri said.

Fonte ..... http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... 475830.xml

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