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F-X III Cercasi nuovo caccia in Corea del Sud

Messaggio da MatteF88 » 19 giugno 2012, 11:35

I concorrenti si sono fatti ufficialmente avanti:
Lockheed Martin, Boeing, and the Eurofighter consortium have presented formal bidding documents to South Korea for the 60 aircraft F-X III competition.

The receipt of the formal bids was announced by Seoul's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) on its website. It expects to make a decision by October.

The presentation was largely a formality, as the three companies have already mounted extensive campaigns for the requirement. Lockheed Martin is pitching its F-35A, Boeing the F-15 Silent Eagle, and the Eurofighter Consortium the Typhoon.

Notably absent is Sukhoi. Seoul had invited the Russian manufacturer to pitch its developmental PAK FA (designated the T-50). In January, South Korean media reports said Sukhoi did not attend a meeting at DAPA where contenders received the request for proposal (RFP) for the competition.

The reports had also suggested that Swedish aircraft maker Saab had attended the RFP meeting, but it appears the company is not bidding its JAS39 Gripen.

According to Seoul's Yonhap news agency, the aircraft will be judged by four primary criteria and 150 secondary criteria. The four main criteria are cost, capability, inter-operability with South Korean forces and industrial benefits. Seoul is likely to require the F-X III winner to provide significant help with its indigenous KFX fighter programme.
Sukhoi e Dassault quindi non ci provano neanche a quanto sembra...

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Re: F-X III Cercasi nuovo caccia in Corea del Sud

Messaggio da richelieu » 19 giugno 2012, 18:29

Considerando il fatto che la "ROKAF" ha già acquistato una sessantina di F-15K .....

Immagine

..... un ulteriore acquisto, nella forma della versione "Silent Eagle", potrebbe essere considerato logico ..... almeno sotto il profilo della standardizzazione.

Per contro ..... l'esplicitato desiderio di acquisire tecnologie utili per il futuro programma "KFX" potrebbe indurli ad orientarsi verso lo F-35.

Non so invece quali prospettive potrebbe offrire loro l'acquisto del "Tifone" ..... e poi, occorre dirlo, i Sudcoreani sono sempre stati tradizionali clienti degli Stati Uniti ..... anche se, in passato, hanno acquistato una quantità di artiglierie navali dalla nostra OTO Melara ..... ma questo è un altro discorso .....

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Re: F-X III Cercasi nuovo caccia in Corea del Sud

Messaggio da MatteF88 » 19 giugno 2012, 18:54

Forse contro il "Silent Eagle" potrebbe giocare il fatto della produzione esigua? ...è vero che non si parte da zero e vola già, ma 60 esemplari potrebbero essere pochini per avere qualche vantaggio sui costi di produzione...(certo dipende se qualcun altro vorrà acquistarlo nel frattempo).
Per di piú, questo F-X III che caratteristiche dovrà avere...vocazione preminente da superiorità aerea? (Il JSF è piú orientato verso missioni a/g) .

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Messaggio da richelieu » 19 giugno 2012, 20:37

MatteF88 ha scritto:Per di piú, questo F-X III che caratteristiche dovrà avere...vocazione preminente da superiorità aerea? (Il JSF è piú orientato verso missioni a/g).
Qui trovi un pò tutta la storia delle fasi 2 e 3 delle competizioni F-X sudcoreane .....

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/kor ... -on-02966/

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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 19 giugno 2012, 20:52

Interessante, praticamente mettono in pole position il "Silent Eagle seguito dal JSF, mentre typhoon e gripen sembrano svantaggiati rispetto agli altri..

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Messaggio da richelieu » 20 giugno 2012, 9:10

Vinca il più forte .....

Così auspica il "Daily Report" della "U.S. Air Force Association" di questa mattina .....
May The Strongest Prevail .....

Boeing and Lockheed Martin submitted bids for their respective F-15 Silent Eagle and F-35 Lightning II fighters in the $7 billion third phase of South Korea's F-X fighter contest, according to press reports.

The two companies met the June 18 deadline for bid submissions, as did Eurofighter, which is offering its Typhoon fighter in the contest, reported (1) "FlightGlobal" June 18.

The three companies are competing for the rights to supply the South Korean air force with up to 60 new-build fighters.

South Korea's defense ministry plans to award the contract in October, according to "FlightGlobal".

In an unconventional move, the South Koreans intend to assess the key instruments and flight performance of the competing jets using simulators, reported (2) the "Korean Herald" June 13.

The four main criteria for determining the winning bid will be: cost, capability, interoperability with South Korean forces, and industrial benefits, according to the "Herald".

(See also "Bloomberg" report (3).)
I links .....

(1) ..... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... nt-373141/

(2) ..... http://view.koreaherald.com/kh/view.php ... 0915&cpv=0

(3) ..... http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-06-1 ... -deal.html

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Re: F-X III Cercasi nuovo caccia in Corea del Sud

Messaggio da FAS » 21 giugno 2012, 8:26

Vi ricordo che

#1 la Corea del Sud è compagna di merenda della Böing Commercial Airplanes.
I Coreani producono a bassissimo prezzo per gli statunitensi:
wing box del 737, sezioni di fusoliera del 787, varie parti strutturali del 777.

PS Producono/produrranno anche piccole parti dell'A350

#2 La ROKAF vola gia circa 40 F15K ed é notizia dei primi mesi dell'anno che Böing si é aggiudicato un contratto di 5 anni (credo per piu di 280 milioni di US dollari) per il ciclo di vita ILS.
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FAS ha scritto:Vi ricordo che .....

..... #2 La ROKAF vola gia circa 40 F15K ed é notizia dei primi mesi dell'anno che Böing si é aggiudicato un contratto di 5 anni (credo per piu di 280 milioni di US dollari) per il ciclo di vita ILS.

Infatti ..... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ks-368685/

Nel frattempo ..... sono già emersi problemi burocratici (posso definirli così?) ..... :mrgreen:
Lockheed, Eurofighter to re-submit bidding documents in Korean fighter contest 

By: Greg Waldron - Singapore (3 hours ago)

Source: Flight International

A South Korean request for additional translation of proposal documents will oblige Lockheed Martin and the Eurofighter Consortium to re-submit their formal bids for the nation's 60 aircraft F-X III requirement.

The two companies have until 5 July to re-submit their formal bids, which were originally handed to Seoul's Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) on Monday, 18 June 2012.

According to an industry source familiar with the competition, Lockheed's proposal for the F-35A needs some additional sections translated into Korean.

Eurofighter's Typhoon proposal, however, needs extensive translation. The original Eurofighter bid was mostly in English, with only an executive summary in Korean - EADS unit Cassidian is leading the Eurofighter campaign in Korea.

Boeing's bid for the F-15 Silent Eagle apparently requires no additional translation.

"This was all just a small misunderstanding," the source said. "DAPA wants to be completely above board and transparent with this competition."


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Messaggio da FAS » 21 giugno 2012, 8:51

entro il 5 luglio :mrgreen:
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Messaggio da FAS » 21 giugno 2012, 8:52

nell'intanto:
Financial Times Deutschland, Handelsblatt and other media report that German Minister of Defence Thomas de Maizière believes that yesterday’s talks over a sale 60 Eurofighter aircraft to the United Arab Emirates have been promising.

(Financial Times Deutschland, 20.06.2012 also reported in Handelsblatt, Die Welt, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Süddeutsche Zeitung, Weser Kurier, Donaukurier)
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Messaggio da richelieu » 21 giugno 2012, 16:30

Per quanto riguarda l'India ..... nonostante tutto ..... la "Cancelliera" non molla la presa .....
In her bilateral meeting with Prime Minister Manmohan Singh on the sidelines of G20 summit at Los Cabos in Mexico, German chancellor Angela Merkel raised this issue and asked why Eurofighter Typhoon could not be considered for India´s biggest defence deal.
Fonte ..... http://www.deccanherald.com/content/258 ... ghter.html

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Messaggio da richelieu » 21 giugno 2012, 16:51

FAS ha scritto:nell'intanto:
Financial Times Deutschland, Handelsblatt and other media report that German Minister of Defence Thomas de Maizière believes that yesterday’s talks over a sale 60 Eurofighter aircraft to the United Arab Emirates have been promising.

(Financial Times Deutschland, 20.06.2012 also reported in Handelsblatt, Die Welt, Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, Süddeutsche Zeitung, Weser Kurier, Donaukurier)
Ti stai riferendo a questo ..... vero ?

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/v ... 39775.html

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Re: F-X III Cercasi nuovo caccia in Corea del Sud

Messaggio da MatteF88 » 26 giugno 2012, 14:27

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ed-373389/
Boeing has completed wind tunnel tests for the conformal weapons bay (CWB) of the F-15 Silent Eagle it is pitching in South Korea's F-X III requirement for 60 aircraft.
In collaborazione con: Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI )
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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 28 settembre 2012, 20:07

Ufficiali Koreani negli USA in gita nelle fabbriche lockheed e Boeing
http://www.aviationweek.com/awmobile/Ar ... 46.xml&p=1

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Messaggio da richelieu » 18 gennaio 2013, 10:27

E' da un po' di tempo che questo argomento non veniva trattato .....
IN FOCUS: Seoul weighs options in F-X III fighter contest .....

South Korea could make a decision in its F-X III competition for 60 fighters by mid-year, and is placing considerable emphasis on offsets and technology transfer.
Fonte ..... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... st-381042/

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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 29 aprile 2013, 21:23

Intanto prosegue lo studio per il KFX, stealth di produzione indigena , sono al vaglio diverse configurazioni ..

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... 80.xml&p=1
—the aircraft will have two engines—but the second issue will depend on the origins of the experienced foreign partner. The KF-X will have conventional aft stabilizers, following concept Design C103, if a U.S. company helps develop it; and forward stabilizers, for Design C203, if a European partner is chosen.
Immagine

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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 27 agosto 2013, 23:42

Pare la stia spuntando l'F-15SE Silent Eagle....

http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... 609191.xml

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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 26 settembre 2013, 10:26

niente, tutto da rifare...così l'F-35 avrà un altra possibilità visto che potrà essere offerto ad un prezzo aggiornato ai nuovi lotti in produzione (quindi un po' inferiore)
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... on-390941/
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The F-15SE had been widely tipped as the winner of the competition from July, when it was announced that it was the only aircraft to come in below DAPA’s budget of won (W) 8.3 trillion ($7.7 billion). This effectively eliminated its other rivals in the competition: the Eurofighter Typhoon and F-35.

Several factors appear to be behind Seoul’s decision, the foremost being the air force’s desire for an aircraft optimised for stealth. The air force’s original required operational capabilities (ROC) had stealth as a cornerstone requirement.

DAPA, however, chose to reduce the emphasis on stealth in the competition, creating an opportunity for two non-stealthy aircraft – the F-15 and Typhoon – to make competitive bids.

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Messaggio da FAS » 29 ottobre 2013, 10:30

I coreani vogliono assemblarlo in casa loro.....

gli USA non acconsentiranno mai...
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Messaggio da MatteF88 » 22 novembre 2013, 10:47

L'Aeronautica koreana si era impuntata sul F-35, a quanto pare è stata accontentata: 40 esemplari "A" in arrivo a partire dal 2018 a cui però si aggiungeranno 20 aerei da combattimento di altro tipo [F-15 Advanced (che è diverso dal Silent Eagle) , F-2000 ? ] per arrivare al totale di 60 previsto dal programma F-X III (ma che senso ha? Non facevano prima a prendere direttamente 60 JSF ? )

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... as-393402/

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Messaggio da richelieu » 20 luglio 2014, 0:19

In Sud Corea si pensa, per il futuro, ad un semi-stealth fighter di progettazione (con LM in qualità di compagna di merende) e produzione nazionale .....
South Korea's Joint Chiefs of Staff endorsed a plan on Friday for the country to design its own mid-level fighter jet, which a state think tank estimated will cost up to 8.5 trillion won ($8.24 billion) to develop.
Fonte ....."S.Korea military chiefs endorse $8.2 bln development plan for home-built fighters" .....
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/07/ ... LM20140718

KAI KF-X ..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KAI_KF-X
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Messaggio da Valerio Ricciardi » 20 luglio 2014, 9:14

richelieu ha scritto: si pensa, per il futuro, ad un semi-stealth fighter
Ah! Un caccia di quarta generazione e tre quarti

...mi mancava :mrgreen:
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Messaggio da Valerio Ricciardi » 20 luglio 2014, 9:21

MatteF88 ha scritto: l' F-35 avrà un altra possibilità visto che potrà essere offerto ad un prezzo aggiornato ai nuovi lotti in produzione (quindi un po' inferiore)
Se vuoi vendere una casa, sai bene che essa non vale né ciò che ti suggerisce l'agenzia immobiliare per indurti a rale l'incarico di vendita, né la somma che scrivi sul cartello "VENDESI" esposta fuori: vale ciò che sotto forma di assegni circolari ti portano sulla scrivania del notaio, il resto è una chiacchiera

Se vuoi comprare un'automobile, sai bene che essa non costa quel che c'è scritto sulla pubblicità sul giornale "in offerta speciale a partire da"... costa il numero che hai vergato sull'assegno per avere una cosa usabile, il resto è una chiacchiera

Gli spagnoli hanno appena rinunciato al JSF nonostante abbiano portaerei senza catapulte che usanpo ora gli Harrier, puntando per ora a un aggiornamento degli stessi e a un allungamento della loro vita operativa, "non potendo permettersi di spendere 130 milioni di euro a pezzo" :shock: (fonte spagnola).

...ora: com'è che le cifre che si leggono sui media italiani per i JSF per nave Cavour son ben più basse? :|
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Messaggio da richelieu » 20 luglio 2014, 10:22

Valerio Ricciardi ha scritto:
MatteF88 ha scritto: l' F-35 avrà un altra possibilità visto che potrà essere offerto ad un prezzo aggiornato ai nuovi lotti in produzione (quindi un po' inferiore)
Gli spagnoli hanno appena rinunciato al JSF nonostante abbiano portaerei senza catapulte che usano ora gli Harrier, puntando per ora a un aggiornamento degli stessi e a un allungamento della loro vita operativa, "non potendo permettersi di spendere 130 milioni di euro a pezzo" :shock: (fonte spagnola).

...ora: com'è che le cifre che si leggono sui media italiani per i JSF per nave Cavour son ben più basse?
:|
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Messaggio da richelieu » 31 luglio 2014, 0:06

KF-X ..... i joint chiefs sudcoreani lo vogliono bimotore .....
The South Korean armed forces have quashed an attempt by Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) to reduce the cost and technical challenge of the proposed KF-X fighter, with the joint chiefs of staff determining that the indigenous aircraft must have two engines.
Fonte ..... "South Korean Joint Chiefs: Two Engines For KF-X" .....
http://aviationweek.com/defense/south-k ... gines-kf-x
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Messaggio da richelieu » 25 settembre 2014, 16:35

'Ricadute' tecnologiche .....
In return for obtaining 40 Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, South Korea will receive technologies related to its long-planned KFX indigenous fighter programme.
Following Lockheed’s announcement on 24 September that Seoul was on the verge of signing an order for 40 F-35s, state news agencyYonhapquoted a spokesman from South Korea’s Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) as saying that the F-35 technologies will play a key role in KFX.
Fonte ..... "KFX to benefit from F-35 offsets" .....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ts-404136/

Questa discussione era nata a suo tempo con lo scopo di trattare di una competizione (la 'F-X III') che era destinata all'acquisizione di una sessantina di nuovi caccia (possibilmente F-15SE) e che si era conclusa con un nulla di fatto che avrebbe poi portato, in questi ultimi giorni, alla definitiva scelta, per quel ruolo, dello F-35A .....

http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... on-390879/

Sarei pertanto dell'idea di proseguirla trattando però l'evoluzione di quello che dovrebbe essere il futuro caccia 'indigeno' della 'ROKAF' .....
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Messaggio da richelieu » 7 ottobre 2014, 17:33

KFX ..... l'Indonesia c'è .....
Jakarta has reaffirmed its commitment to partnering with Seoul on the KFX indigenous fighter programme.
In a statement, Indonesia’s defence ministry says that six prototypes will be developed, of which one will be given to Indonesia for flight tests.
In addition, it reiterates the role of Indonesian personnel in the programme, and that a final assembly line will eventually be located in Indonesia.
Fonte ..... "Indonesia still gung-ho on KFX participation" .....
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Messaggio da richelieu » 6 novembre 2014, 9:37

Da 'INDODEFENCE 2014' ..... un aggiornamento sullo stato del programma congiunto 'KF-X/IF-X' .....
Last month Indonesia’s defence minister Purnomo Yusgiantoro and South Korean ambassador to Indonesia, Cho Tai-young, signed a joint engineering and development agreement for the KF-X/IF-X fifth-generation fighter.
While South Korea is shouldering 80 per cent of the development budget, Indonesia is to be the primary partner, with a 20 per cent stake.
Indonesia first became associated with the programme through a memorandum of understanding in 2010.
Fonte ..... "Advanced fighter project moves forward" .....
http://www.janes.com/article/45416/adva ... ard-id14d2

Una possibile configurazione dell'abitacolo ..... "IF-X cockpit configuration on show" .....
http://www.janes.com/article/45396/if-x ... how-id14d2
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Messaggio da richelieu » 10 dicembre 2014, 20:57

KF-X ..... emergono ripensamenti e ..... riemerge Boeing ..... :mrgreen:
KF-X Kept On Back Burner As Boeing Pushes Super Hornet .....

Aviation Week & Space Technology (December 15, 2014 p. 28)

Bradley Perrett (Beijing)


Yet again, South Korea is holding back on launching its proposed KF-X indigenous fighter—and now a foreign alternative is waiting in the wings.
Boeing and Korean Airlines are vying for the program, aiming at usurping Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) and the indigenous design proposed by the defense ministry’s Agency for Defense Development (ADD).

The finance ministry recommended against the full-scale launch that ADD had hoped for in 2015.
Now the parliament, as in previous years, has declined to provide the money.

By allowing only modest funding for preliminary work on the program, the parliament has kept open the possibility of economizing by replacing the local design with the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet or an advanced development of that type.
Boeing, which is working with Korean Airlines in seeking the KF-X program, has proposed the Super Hornet for South Korea, say industry officials.

The parliament has approved 55.2 billion won ($49.5 million) for the program for 2015, which would cover only design studies and other activities that would prepare the way for possible full-scale development.
The funding was more than the finance ministry recommended, 30 billion won, but less than the defense ministry’s proposal of 100 billion won.
The latter figure may have been intended to pay for the first year of full-scale development.

The Korea Institute for Defense Analysis, a think tank, estimates total development cost for an indigenous KF-X at 8.5 trillion won.
The approved 2015 budget is just 0.65% of that.
The finance ministry is working on an assessment of the program cost.
A prime contractor may be chosen in the first half of 2015, subject to the finance ministry’s assessment, says the Segye newspaper.

Boeing’s Super Hornet proposal must include substantial local manufacturing and upgrades, since South Korea’s major reason for developing the KF-X is to advance its industry.
The manufacturing division of Korean Airlines is cooperating with Boeing with the aim of taking over the KF-X from KAI, according to two other officials, one industrial and one governmental.

It is not confirmed that the Super Hornet is part of the Korean Airlines offer, but this seems quite likely, since the two companies are known to be working together and Boeing is known to be offering its fighter.
Korean Airlines is unlikely to be proposing to build the indigenous KF-X design with Boeing’s technical help, since Lockheed Martin is already obliged to assist.

Boeing confirms it remains interested in KF-X but declines to say directly whether it is considering a development based on its Advanced Super Hornet, which has a weapons pod and conformal tanks.
“Boeing looks forward to understanding the Republic of Korea’s plans regarding how and when they intend to implement the program,” says a spokeswoman.
“If we decide to formally participate, we will consider our entire portfolio of strike fighter capabilities.”

South Korea operates and partly builds Boeing’s other fighter, the F-15, but has chosen not to continue buying it. And the F-15 is further from the technical level of a new aircraft than is the Super Hornet.

Until now, the presumed prime contractor for the KF-X has been KAI, which would develop and build the aircraft to ADD’s design.
South Korea required Lockheed Martin to offer technical backing when the F-35 Lightning won the country’s separate F-X Phase 3 fighter competition last year.

The advantages of basing the KF-X on the Super Hornet would be lower costs and fewer risks.
Opposition to the ADD KF-X concept has been based mostly on cost, but many South Korean industry executives worry whether the country has enough engineers with sufficient experience to build a fighter, especially one that would be later developed for stealth.
Notably, the Super Hornet has two engines, as the air force publicly requires, and is big enough to carry heavy air-to-surface missiles, which a government official says is necessary.

The disadvantages of a Super Hornet KF-X are that making even major modifications to the U.S. aircraft cannot teach South Korea as much as building its own fighter, and the country would not have full control over weapon and sensor integration; Boeing’s cooperation and the U.S. government’s permission would be needed.
Freedom to change and add equipment has been another major reason cited for building the indigenous KF-X, which ADD has promoted as a platform for a wide variety of future South Korean systems.

A further problem is that changing the foreign technical assistance company for the KF-X implies renegotiating F-X Phase 3 arrangements, asking Lockheed Martin to keep its fighter technology so the defense ministry can instead spend the money on Boeing’s.

Even if Korean Airlines does lead a program based on the Super Hornet, KAI probably will have to be deeply involved.
KAI has a larger engineering team, including people who have worked on the fighter-like T-50 supersonic trainer and its combat derivatives.

Competing for the F-X Phase 3 order last year, Boeing proposed an advanced Super Hornet for KF-X; Lockheed Martin offered a radically altered, stealthier F-16 with two vertical stabilizers and a revised wing; while EADS, now Airbus Group, suggested a twin-tail Typhoon.

The air force appears to have been backing the ADD KF-X in the past few months, but in May it expressed frustration with the seemingly endless program and announced that it was studying options for imports.
The KF-X would replace South Korean F-16s starting in 2025. Indonesia is taking a 20% share in the development.

(With Amy Butler in Washington).
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Messaggio da richelieu » 11 dicembre 2014, 15:43

KF-X .....

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..... Boeing conferma ..... ma con riserva .....
Boeing confirms it remains interested in South Korea’s KF-X fighter program but declines to say directly whether it is considering a development based on its Advanced Super Hornet, as reported by Aviation Week.
“Boeing looks forward to understanding the Republic of Korea’s plans regarding how and when they intend to implement the program,” says a spokeswoman for the company.
“If we decide to formally participate, we will consider our entire portfolio of strike fighter capabilities.”
Fonte ..... "Boeing Still Interested In South Korea’s KF-X" .....
http://aviationweek.com/defense/boeing- ... rea-s-kf-x
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Messaggio da richelieu » 31 dicembre 2014, 17:56

KF-X ..... verso un'insolita 'santa alleanza' .....
Airbus and Boeing are jointly attempting to unseat Lockheed Martin from South Korea’s KF-X indigenous fighter program, offering technology from Europe that could not be supplied from U.S. sources, industry officials say.
Fonte ..... "Boeing, Airbus, Korean Air Join To Bid For KF-X" .....
http://aviationweek.com/defense/boeing- ... n-bid-kf-x
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E' il 'fattore prezzo' ..... bellezza ..... :wink:
If KAL and KAI are judged technically equal, then the issue will come down to the 20 points based on price, where KAL could have a strong advantage.
KAL appears to be proposing a design based on the Boeing F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, which industry officials say Boeing is pushing with backing from Airbus.
Any such proposal should be developmentally cheaper than KAI’s KF-X proposal, an entirely new design prepared by the ministry’s Agency for Defense Development (ADD).
The savings are not just in KAL’s having a proven Boeing design to work from, but also in the database of aerodynamic, signature and other information that Boeing and Airbus have available.
Fonte ..... "Price Factor Seen Favoring Korean Airlines For South Korea’s KF-X Fighter" .....
http://aviationweek.com/defense/price-f ... -x-fighter
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Messaggio da richelieu » 9 febbraio 2015, 18:44

KF-X ..... fallisce la prima gara ..... per scarsità di partecipanti ..... :blackeye:
..... se ne terrà presto una seconda ..... :mrgreen:
Despite its ambitious announcement, Korean Air (KAL), the country’s largest commercial airliner, did not submit a bid for the military’s largest-ever project to develop new mid-level fighter jets, the state procurement agency said Monday.
According to the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA), only the state-funded Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) participated in the bidding for the KF-X project before the 4 p.m. deadline on Monday.
The procurement administration declared the bidding a failure because only one company participated.
Fonte ..... "DAPA to hold second KFX open bid" .....
http://koreajoongangdaily.joins.com/new ... Cnewslist1
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Ulteriori dettagli sul fallimento della prima gara relativa al programma KF-X .....

"Seoul forced to re-tender KFX bidding" .....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ng-408909/

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Due contendenti hanno presentato le offerte per la competizione .....
Korean Air and Korea Aerospace Industries lodge bids for KFX .....

Jon Grevatt, Bangkok - IHS Jane's Defence Industry - 24 February 2015


Airline Korean Air and Korea Aerospace Industries (KAI) have submitted bids to win the USD8 billion programme to complete development of the Korean Fighter Experimental (KFX) aircraft.

A spokesman from South Korea's procurement agency - the Defense Acquisition Program Administration (DAPA) - told IHS Jane's that the two companies submitted bids before the deadline on 24 February.

As per bidding requirements, both Korean Air and KAI are teamed with foreign partners.
Korean Air will partner Airbus, which has experience in fighter aircraft development through its involvement in the Eurofighter Typhoon programme, while KAI is teamed with Lockheed Martin, with which it has long-standing industrial ties.

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