B777 della Malaysia Airlines scompare dai radar

[AirGek]

Un'altra possibilità può essere che in Malesia non sanno dell'esistenza di FlightRadar24... speriamo leggano queste pagine.

[DenisJP]

Non credo che le autorità invetigative non abbiano tracciati radar. Sicuramente hanno informazioni ben piu dettagliate di quelle di FlightRadar24,specie i militari..

Inviato dal mio GT-I8150 con Tapatalk 2

[lancair]

non mi meraviglio che tutti i sistemi disattivati/inoperativi (acars,datalink,atc transponders) possano essere stati esclusi tranne il satcom (grazie al quale Inmarsat ha ricevuto gli handshake) dopo aver scoperto che il suo c/b,che alimenta il SDU satellite data unit,non si trova nell'overhead c/b panel ma si trova nel E/E compartment.
ovviamente solo ipotesi e chiacchiere da bar...e se fosse il north corridor la rotta da seguire?

[andrecorra]

Come è difficile trovare qualcosa che NON si vuole trovare....

[Valerio Ricciardi]

...infatti quello è il dubbio che si insinua, troppo goffo tutto per essere tutto vero.
Questa vicenda sta usticheggiando di settimana in settimana sempre più.

[sigmet]

EASA call:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/ ... W720140508

[richelieu]

...infatti quello è il dubbio che si insinua, troppo goffo tutto per essere tutto vero.
Questa vicenda sta usticheggiando di settimana in settimana sempre più.

usticheggiando ..... se ti beccano i 'Cruscanti' .....

[richelieu]

Da 'Flight International' .....

Malaysia has publicly released the raw data of Malaysia Airlines flight MH370’s ‘handshakes’ with an Inmarsat satellite on 8 March.
The data is contained a 47-page transcript of satellite transmission and “handshake” data as recorded by Inmarsat. It was produced by Inmarsat, and contains brief explanatory notes at salient moments during the flight, such as the aircraft’s last ACARS (Aircraft Communications and Reporting Addressing System) transmission.

"Malaysia releases MH370 satellite data" ..... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ta-399697/
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Comunicato ..... http://www.dca.gov.my/mainpage/MH370%20 ... 202014.pdf

Documento ..... http://www.dca.gov.my/mainpage/MH370%20 ... 20Logs.pdf

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[maxago]

Se ricordo bene si era parlato di un tentativo di utilizzo del telefono satellitare dell' aereo. Leggendo il log vedo che in realtà le chiamate tentate sono state due in orari differenti: una alle 18:39 UTC e una seconda quasi 5 ore dopo alle 23:14 UTC un' ora prima dell' ultimo "ping" satellitare ricevuto dal B777.
Le chiamate sono descritte come "ground initiated to air telephony call" mi sembra di capire che sono state iniziate da terra. Entrambe le chiamate sono senza risposta.
L'ultima trasmissione (ACK) ricevuta dall' aereo è delle 00:19 UTC.

Qualcuno che ha più esperienza di me potrebbe dare il suo parere sul log?
Ciao
Grazie

[richelieu]

Ultimo e sconsolante aggiornamento .....

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) has advised that the search in the vicinity of the acoustic detections can now be considered complete and in its professional judgement, the area can now be discounted as the final resting place of MH370.

Fonte ..... http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/releases/2 ... mr048.aspx
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[richelieu]

Il commento di 'Flight International' .....

"Search for MH370 ceases until August" ..... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... st-399793/

[richelieu]

Domande e risposte .....

F.A.Q. ..... http://www.atsb.gov.au/mh370/frequently ... tions.aspx

[richelieu]

Ancora dall'Australia .....

A team of Australian researchers recorded an unusual acoustic event around the time Malaysia Airlines flight MH370 would have crashed owing to fuel exhaustion.
The signal was detected by underwater acoustic sensors 40km off Australia’s Rottnest Island at 01:30 GMT on Saturday 8 March.
“[The signal] could have resulted from Flight MH370 crashing into the Indian Ocean but could also have originated from a natural event, such as a small earth tremor,” says a statement from Curtin University’s Centre for Marine Science and Technology.

Fonte ..... "Indian Ocean acoustic data could yield clues about MH370" .....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... 70-400040/

Curtin University ..... "Curtin researchers in search for acoustic evidence of MH370" .....
http://news.curtin.edu.au/media-release ... nce-mh370/

Dal sito dell'Organizzazione CTBTO ..... http://www.ctbto.org/ .....

..... "Is mystery underwater sound the crash of Flight 370?" .....
http://edition.cnn.com/2014/06/03/world ... ?hpt=hp_c2

Novità realmente importante o ennesima caccia alle nuvole ?

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[Mobius]

Intanto alcune aerolinee vogliono sistemi di tracciamento migliori per evitare altri casi simili: http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/06/travel/ai ... gy-mh-370/

Doha, Qatar (CNN) - Making sure another plane is never "lost" again is the immediate priority for the airline industry, according to Tony Tyler CEO of the International Air Transport Association (IATA).

The group has set up a taskforce comprised of airlines, pilots, flight safety organizations and flight tracking and navigation service providers to try and ensure a mystery like flight MH370 is not repeated.

"We're going to be focusing on the tracking of aircraft and not streaming of data," said Tyler at the group's annual meeting, in Doha, Qatar, adding that it will deliver a report in September recommending what changes airlines should take, although they won't be mandatory.

The streaming of data is not the focus, said Tyler, as tracking is "the most urgent first step and can be done relatively easily."

"There are a lot more issues that come into play when it comes into the streaming of data. If you start having streaming from 100,000 flights a day, you're going to end up with masses of data and that may be manageable or may be not manageable."

Read: How airlines make 'less than $6 per passenger'

Currently a mix of radar, satellite and voice communications tracks aircraft. A one-size-fits-all tracking solution might not work, cautions Kevin Hiatt, senior vice president for Safety and Flight Operations for IATA.

While the technology to track aircraft better is already available there is an equipment issue.

"Not all aircraft are equipped the same, it's just like an automobile, there are different options you can fit in the aircraft, so we'll explore what options are currently onboard and see how it can be used to fill this gap.

"Maybe some carriers already have what they need to start and there might be some that have absolutely nothing and have to start."

Many airline CEOs have committed to improving tracking no matter the cost.

"We're already doing quite a lot," said Willie Walsh, CEO of International Airlines Group.

"We routinely send position messages with our ACARS messages and that's something we've done for many years an something we'll continue to do. We send ACARS messages every 30 minutes.

"By this time next year (the airline industry) will have cracked this."

ACARS is a data link for sending messages between planes and ground facilities that was developed in the 1970s.

Just five years ago Air France suffered a tragedy when flight AF447 crashed into the Atlantic Ocean en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris.

The accident brought to public attention that in some locations, such as over ocean areas, the precise location of an aircraft is not known all the time.

"We don't totally track aircraft as there are areas of the world that don't have coverage that allow us to track them with what we would conventionally think of as a GPS or some type a ping that has a geographic location," said Hiatt.

However, after the incident, the airline, independent of any industry-wide report, made changes to how its planes communicate their location and can be found in an emergency.

One was improving the battery life of the black box recorder to three months, the second concerned the frequency with which the plane communicates with land.

"Flight data is now sent from the plane every 10 minutes," said Alexandre de Juniac, CEO of Air France-KLM.

If a plane deviates from its initial flight plan we send a message every minute to our dispatch office in Paris ... to say that something is wrong. So the tracking is much more accurate and we know minute by minute where the plane is.

"We have the equipment on board; it's a decision plus some investment to increase the frequency of the messages."

Another issue facing airlines and pilots is the question of making something tamper-proof. Manufacturers say that can mean devices that won't be able to be switched off in-flight.

"Speaking as a former pilot myself, if I had a particular piece of kit in the cockpit and I wanted to stop it smoking or being on fire, I could disable that," said Hiatt.

"Now they're saying they want to take that away from the pilot. So there are some diverse opinions which will be explored."

Tapatalk

[JT8D]

Sulla traccabilità degli aeroplani, per info riporto quanto è stato pubblicato sul Portale a riguardo qualche giorno fa, inerente a AF:

http://www.md80.it/2014/06/03/air-frran ... -tracking/

Paolo

[richelieu]

Lo stato delle ricerche .....

"Australian contracted survey vessel joins in MH370 search" .....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ch-400514/

[richelieu]

Ora vanno a sud .....

Australia, Malaysia, and China have established the priority search area for MH370, the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER aircraft that disappeared on 8 March.
The revised undersea search area is south of where an aerial and accoustic search took place in March and April, but is still along the “seventh arc”, where the aircraft transmitted its final communication, says Australian Minister for Infrastructure and Regional Development Warren Truss.

Fonte ..... " MH370 search to shift south along “southern arc” ".....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... rc-400786/

Il rapporto dell'Australian Transport Safety Bureau citato nell'articolo .....
http://www.atsb.gov.au/media/5243942/AE ... Report.pdf
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[richelieu]

Quella enigmatica traccia satellitare .....

Investigators are trying to understand the precise nature of the initial satcom log-on from Malaysia Airlines flight MH370, the first of seven exchanges which mark the only trace of the missing aircraft following its disappearance from surveillance radar.

Fonte ..... "MH370 inquiry puzzles over initial satcom message" .....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ge-400804/
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[richelieu]

Matematica .....

Details of investigators’ analytical techniques to determine the fatal track of Malaysia Airlines’ missing flight MH370 have illustrated the mathematical complexity of the inquiry.
But close alignment between predicted and known tracks from other aircraft have reinforced confidence in the modelling techniques.

Fonte ..... "MH370: Hunt depending on complex mathematics" .....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... cs-400808/
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[richelieu]

Malaysia ..... un maggiore impegno .....

Malaysia has announced plans to deploy additional assets in the search for the missing Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777 in the southern Indian Ocean.

Fonte ..... "Malaysia deploys more assets in MH370 search" .....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ch-401101/
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[richelieu]

Mentre l'attenzione è attualmente focalizzata sul tragico evento in Ucraina ..... mi sembra opportuno ricordare che, dall'altra parte del pianeta, l'Australia persiste nelle ricerche .....

Australia says that the bathymetric survey of ocean floor where the lost Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 is suspected to have crashed is well underway.
Two vessels are conducting the work, the Fugro Equator and Chinese survey ship Zhu, while the Australian Transport Safety Bureau assesses tenders related to an upcoming underwater search for the Boeing 777-200ER.

Fonte ..... "Australia reaffirms commitment to MH370 search" .....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ch-401952/
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[richelieu]

A cinque mesi di distanza .....

The Australian government has selected Fugro Survey to conduct the undersea search of the southern Indian Ocean that hopes to locate the missing aircraft that operated Malaysia Airlines flight MH370.

Fonte ..... "Australia appoints contractor for MH370 search" .....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ch-402411/

Joint Agency Coordination Centre ..... "Transcript of Press Conference, 6 August 2014" .....
http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/interviews ... tr015.aspx
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[richelieu]

A quasi sei mesi di distanza .....

Data from a failed phone call to the Boeing 777-200ER that went missing while operating flight MH370 on 8 March is pointing towards the aircraft turning south earlier than thought.
Speaking at a press conference following talks with his Malaysian and Chinese counterparts on 28 August, Australia’s infrastructure minister Warren Truss revealed that after the 777 disappeared from radar, ground staff from the airline tried to call the aircraft’s satellite phone.

Fonte ..... "MH370: Satphone data points to earlier southern turn" .....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... rn-403196/

Inoltre ..... "Transcript of Press Conference, 28 August 2014" .....
http://www.jacc.gov.au/media/interviews ... tr016.aspx
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[sigmet]

Intanto la compagnia naviga in cattive acque..

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-28370863

[328gts]

Mio fratello sta volando ora con quella compagnia tra Bintulu' e Kuala, sto' aspettando che atterri...

[spiridione]

Invece mio fratello e mia cognata (sembra l'incipit di una barzelletta, ma non lo è...) hanno viaggiato con loro da Saigon a Kuala e da Kuala a Phuket circa tre mesi prima della tragedia. Ricordano con affetto e dispiacere i cabin crew di entrambi i voli, sempre sorridenti e efficienti....
Peccato. Per i morti di MH370, per quelli del volo sull'Ucraina e per la Compagnia Aerea.

[MarcoGT]

Ci ho viaggiato anche io, cabin crew cortese, nulla da segnalare.

[richelieu]

A sette mesi di distanza .....

"New data, refined analysis nudge MH370 search southwards" .....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ds-404597/

"Survey ships set to grapple with MH370 search" .....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ch-404599/

ATSB ..... "MH370 Operational Search Update 8 October 2014" .....
http://www.atsb.gov.au/mh370.aspx
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[maxago]

Se ho capito bene il succo dei tre articoli è che le nuove analisi rendono più probabile il punto di ingresso in acqua decisamente più a sud di dove si era concentrata la prima fase delle ricerche. Le navi da ricerca partiranno da una zona dell' arco molto più meridionale.
E' sconfortante scoprire che sono state investite molte risorse umane ed economiche per cercare in una zona dove probabilmente non si poteva trovare nulla. E magari lavorando prima e meglio sull'analisi di tutte le informazioni che ora sono disponibili trovare qualche traccia quando era più facile trovarla.

[danko156]

Se ho capito bene il succo dei tre articoli è che le nuove analisi rendono più probabile il punto di ingresso in acqua decisamente più a sud di dove si era concentrata la prima fase delle ricerche. Le navi da ricerca partiranno da una zona dell' arco molto più meridionale.
E' sconfortante scoprire che sono state investite molte risorse umane ed economiche per cercare in una zona dove probabilmente non si poteva trovare nulla. E magari lavorando prima e meglio sull'analisi di tutte le informazioni che ora sono disponibili trovare qualche traccia quando era più facile trovarla.

Si, ma purtroppo non è sicuro che trovino qualcosa neanche qui

[Valerio Ricciardi]

Intanto, nulla ho sentito circa l'ipotesi di implementare sistemi di segnalazione a impulsi dei contenitori di FDR e CVR più durevoli. Ignoro se vi siano margini di manovra praticabili in tal senso.

L'ipotesi del lungo volo incosciente dopo depressurizzazione o simili mi pare resti la più ragionevole. Nessun attentato sarebbe restato senza rivendicazione neppure indiretta per sette mesi.

[MartaP]

L'ipotesi del lungo volo incosciente dopo depressurizzazione o simili mi pare resti la più ragionevole.

..ma se fosse così, come si potrebbe spiegare la rotta verso ovest ?

[richelieu]

A proposito di Inmarsat .....

"Inmarsat Details The Forensic Search For MH370" .....
http://aviationweek.com/commercial-avia ... arch-mh370

ATSB ..... "MH370 Operational Search Update 15 October 2014" .....
http://www.atsb.gov.au/mh370.aspx
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[richelieu]

Rafforzamento .....

"Fourth vessel joins in underwater search for MH370" .....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... 70-407822/

[richelieu]

A dieci mesi di distanza .....

..... in Australia ci si sta preparando a recuperare un relitto ..... che non è stato ancora trovato .....

The Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) has issued a tender seeking recovery services in the event that the Malaysia Airlines Boeing 777-200ER that operated missing flight MH370 is found.
“While no wreckage from the missing aircraft has yet been found, preparations are being made so a recovery operation can be mobilised quickly and effectively when needed,” says Australia’s infrastructure minister Warren Truss.

Fonte ..... "ATSB readies recovery effort for MH370" .....
http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... 70-408195/

Minister Warren Truss ..... "MH370—planning ahead for recovery operations" .....
http://www.minister.infrastructure.gov. ... _2015.aspx
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