Prove in mare per la prima portaerei cinese.

[Vultur]

Forza sicuramente, anche se sono al primo giorno di scuola. Non so se il J-15 è multiruolo, ma da qui ad avere uno stormo aereo imbarcato che funzioni aivoglia. Aerei AEW, antisom, ecc ... Adesso che ci penso hanno pure bisogno di una barca più grossa.
I cinesi ce l'hanno il SU-25? Israele visto che c'è potrebbe dargli pure qualche E-2 Hawkeye.
Mi sembra che il SU-33 in decollo usa anche gli alettoni come ipersostentatori.

[richelieu]

Forza sicuramente, anche se sono al primo giorno di scuola.
Non so se il J-15 è multiruolo, ma da qui ad avere uno stormo aereo imbarcato che funzioni hai voglia.
Aerei AEW, antisom, ecc ...
Adesso che ci penso hanno pure bisogno di una barca più grossa.

Infatti ..... nonostante la vanagloria propagandistica dei Cinesi .....

Successful aircraft landing exercises on China's first aircraft carrier mean the country is now capable to deploy fighter jets on the carrier, a senior navy officer said Sunday.

Fonte ..... http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china ... 998137.htm


..... si dovrebbe, come minimo, tenere conto di questo .....

OR you could say that all the Chinese have done is land a jet on a carrier, something the Brits first did on December 3, 1945.

Fonte ..... http://defensetech.org/2012/11/26/chine ... t-to-1945/

[richelieu]

Primary Colors .....

Concerning aircraft carrier deck operations, China appears to be mimicking the U.S. Navy, at least as far as the colors of the shirts worn by sailors on the flight deck.

Fonte ..... http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... 521281.xml

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[MatteF88]

Credo che nel mucchio sia stato cancellato anche il messaggio in risposta a tacan....
Lo riposto perché pertinente con l'argomento:

BEIJING, November 26 (RIA Novosti) – China gave high praise on Monday to the head of the Shenyang Aircraft Corp. (SAC), who died while witnessing the first successful deck landing of the new carrier-based Shenyang J-15 fighter jet, Xinhua reported.
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Luo’s career at the SAC spanned over 30 years. He became chairman and general manager of the corporation in 2007 and personally oversaw the development and production of the J-15, derived from Russia’s Sukhoi Su-33 carrier-based fighter.

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20121126/177748951.html

[Vultur]

Si sono ricordati del colore delle casacche, ma non dell'unità di terapia intensiva a bordo! Ops!

[richelieu]

Secondo l'edizione in lingua inglese del "Quotidiano del Popolo Online" (va da sé ..... è cinese) il caccia imbarcato J-15 sarebbe superiore al suo progenitore sovietico Su-33 .....

China's J-15 fighter superior to Russian Su-33 .....

(People's Daily Online) 08:52, December 06, 2012

On Nov. 25, 2012, China's carrier-borne J-15 fighter jet has successfully undergone a series of sailing and technological tests on the Liaoning, China's first aircraft carrier, marking a great success of the carrier-borne fighter jet independently developed by China and a major breakthrough in the development of aircraft carrier technology.

The J-15 is equipped with two high-power engines and a brand-new system of high lift device, takeoff and landing device and arrester hook. Its wing can be folded up to both maintain the excellent combat capability and meet the special requirement of landing on the Liaoning. Featuring large combat radius, excellent maneuvering performance and high bombs carrying capacity, the J-15 has a fighting capability of full sea and full airspace.

Foreign media especially Russian media guessed that the J-15 is a copy of Russian Su-33 carrier-borne fighter jet because its appearance is similar to Su-33. In this regard, spokesman of the Ministry of National Defense of China Geng Yansheng said on Nov. 29, "The world military affairs have an objective law of development. Many weapons have the same design principle and some command and protection methods are also similar. Therefore, it at least is non-professional to conclude that China copied the aircraft carrier technology of other countries only by simply comparison.”

First, J-15 has an avionics more advanced than Su-33. Su-33 is equipped with old-fashioned ARINC429 discrete avionics system of one-way low-speed data bus, while J-15 adopts joint avionics system of bidirectional data bus.

TS-100, the Su-33's fire-control computer, has a computing speed of only 170,000 times per second, while the J-15's fire-control computer has an estimated computing speed of over several million times per second.

The J-15 owns a much more advanced radar system than the Su-33. Due to its backward avionics system, the Su-33 can only serve as interceptors, and is incapable of air-to-ground precision strike.

The J-15 adopts improved materials and production techniques, and thus has greater strength and lighter weight.

Finally, the J-15 is powered by home-made Taihang (WS-10) turbofan engine, which is more powerful than the Su-33's engine. Overall, the J-15 is superior to the Su-33, and is comparable to world-class carrier-based aircraft such as the United States' F-18 and France's Rafale.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90786/8047787.html

[MatteF88]

C'è da fidarsi del Quotidiano del Popolo??

[bigshot]

C'è da fidarsi del Quotidiano del Popolo??

Beh sul fatto che l'avionica sia migliore non faccio fatica a crederlo... quanto all'ultima frase beh...
come no.. credici ancora un po'

[richelieu]

C'è da fidarsi del Quotidiano del Popolo??

Beh sul fatto che l'avionica sia migliore non faccio fatica a crederlo... quanto all'ultima frase beh...
come no.. credici ancora un po'

Il signor Geng Yansheng, con le dichiarazioni riportate dal "Quotidiano del Popolo", ha voluto evidentemente togliersi il classico sassolino dalla scarpa rispondendo a quanto a suo tempo sostenuto da fonti russe in merito alle capacità del J-15 .....

http://en.rian.ru/military_news/20100604/159306694.html

E' comunque interessante leggere la voce, particolarmente ricca di links, che Wikipedia (in inglese) dedica al caccia cinese .....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shenyang_J-15

[MatteF88]

Cercando proprio tra quei link, mi sono imbattuto in questo: http://airforceworld.com/pla/english/J- ... china.html

Scorrendo in basso appare questa foto

Ma non riesco a trovare la didascalia in cui spiegano quei dettagli evidenziati (tra cui i tail fins del mio dubbio precedente) ...ora, io sto visualizzando tutto tramite telefono, quindi forse qualche contenuto della pagina sparisce...voi trovate qualcosa?

[Vultur]

Non trovo nulla.
Tiro a indovinare didascalie cinesi. SU-33, ehm ... volevo dile J-15 the supeliol ailclaft:

A) Tail tip: apici delive: altezza massima compatibile con ponte hangal imbalcato m 05,93 senza svelniciale soffitto blindato.

B) Equiliblatoli: nuovi equiliblatoli lipiegabili.

C) Cono di coda: accolciato pel appontaggi alto angolo attacco su poltaelei Liaoning senza sbattele lunga coda lussa (molto bella in velità) pel tella.

D) Nose geal: callello di plua modificato doppie luote gemellate per glandi botte di appontaggi cattivi. Stop.

[richelieu]

Quando si dice ..... essere influenzabili .....

Aircraft-carrier style: Chinese netizens celebrate landing of carrier-based fighter with funny-looking pose .....

China successfully lands the first carrier-based fighter jet – J15 – on its newly christened aircraft carrier.
But instead of the news itself, it is a rather trivial detail in a television news segment about it that has held Chinese netizens enthralled and inspired a new geeky and warped Internet meme.

Fonte ..... http://www.ministryoftofu.com/2012/11/a ... king-pose/

[MatteF88]

Sacrilegio! Non si può accostare il mitico Tomcat e le casacche gialle che lo lanciavano a un flanker taroccato che oltretutto non viene lanciato ma deve saltare da un trampolino!

[Vultur]

Flanker taroccato uhahahhhahah hahaha hah proprio vero. Comunque poverini, non è del tutto esatto secondo me. In fondo per fare certe cose si possono usare diverse posizioni, ma la sostanza è una sola e non cambia. Alla fine un disgraziato che dica al pilota che è ora di andare ci vuole, quindi ... Al posto della catapulta, quelli avranno i fermi delle ruote pricipali da mettere giù, per cui la mossa di scherma dell'ufficiale al decollo in ginocchio invece di dire: "Guarda che ti spariamo per aria ORA", vorrà significare: "Fermi tolti è ora che parti". Anche i colori è inutile cambiarli, equivarrebbe a cambiare i colori dei semafori per strada: che senso avrebbe?

[MatteF88]

L'AEW&C imbarcato? Anche se gli manca ancora qualcosa...





http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ed-374858/

Taiwan: sono stati beccate delle spie all'interno dell'aeronautica militare che passavano informazioni tecniche ai cinesi riguardo alle dotazioni degli aerei E-2 Hawkeye in loro possesso...

[richelieu]

Encomi a pioggia per l'equipaggio ed i piloti della portaerei cinese ..... ma due di loro hanno perso la vita durante i tests .....

"President Xi bestows military honors " ..... http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/china ... 591069.htm


Una menzione particolare per Dai Mingmeng ..... che è stato il primo pilota ad appontare sulla nave .....

"China honors carrier-based aircraft test pilot" ..... http://eng.chinamil.com.cn/news-channel ... 120511.htm

Inoltre .....

At least two People’s Liberation Army Air Force pilots have died in testing jets slated to operate from the Chinese carrier Liaoning, according a little noticed report published by Chinese state-controlled media.

Fonte ..... "Two PLA Pilots Have Died Testing Fighters for Chinese Carrier" .....
http://news.usni.org/2014/09/05/two-pla ... se-carrier


Dall'altra parte dello Stretto .....

Two Chinese test pilots were killed during development of the country’s first aircraft carrier fighter wing, state media said, in a rare admission of problems with the hugely popular naval program.

Fonte ..... "China says two aircraft carrier test pilots died" .....
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/a ... 2003599213
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[richelieu]

Ora i Cinesi smentiscono .....

A Chinese state-owned newspaper has denied international media reports claiming that two People's Liberation Army Air Force (PLAAF) pilots were killed during the test phase for the J-15 carrier-borne combat aircraft.
Several international news outlets cited a 27 August report by the Xinhua state news agency of a commendation order signed by President Xi Jinping for Liaoning's J-15 squadron, including Commander Dai Mingmeng, who was honoured as a "Heroic Test Pilot" at a ceremony convened by the Central Military Commission.

Fonte ..... "China denies reports of pilots killed in J-15 tests" .....
http://www.janes.com/article/42928/chin ... j-15-tests

[Fabio Airbus]

Devono aver imparato dai vicini ex sovietici...

[richelieu]

Cineserie ..... 'mock-up' su 'mock-up' .....

A full-scale model of China’s J-31 stealth fighter prototype has appeared on the flight deck of the Chinese navy’s aircraft carrier mock-up, fueling speculation that the radar-evading jet could become part of China’s carrier air wing.

Fonte ..... "Looks Like China’s Sending a Stealth Fighter to Sea - J-31 mock-up appears on carrier deck" .....

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[richelieu]

Non sarà mica una 'ciofeca' ?

"China’s Aircraft Carrier Trouble—Spewing Steam and Losing Power" .....

[richelieu]

Il 'clone' navale procede .....

"Shenyang makes progress on J-15 fleet" .....
http://www.janes.com/article/45076/shen ... j-15-fleet

[richelieu]

Confermata la produzione in serie del caccia navale Shenyang J-15 Flying Shark .....

China has put the Shenyang J-15 Flying Shark carrier-borne multirole fighter into serial production, with at least eight production examples known to be flying already.
This is in addition to the six J-15 prototypes, some of which conducted carrier trials on board China’s refurbished former Soviet Kuznetsov-class carrier, Liaoning.

Fonte ..... "Chinese Carrier Fighter Now In Serial Production" .....
http://news.usni.org/2014/11/10/chinese ... production
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[richelieu]

Cina ..... confermata la costruzione di una seconda portaerei .....

"China working on second carrier" .....
(272 of 663 words) ..... http://www.janes.com/article/49879/chin ... nd-carrier

Inoltre .....

Chinese media are abuzz with a report (originally published by Hong Kong Commercial Daily) confirming construction on China’s second aircraft carrier – the first entirely indigenously produced carrier in China’s fleet.
While there have been numerous rumors that construction is underway on a companion to the Liaoning (the first aircraft carrier commissioned into the Chinese Navy), the new report is different in a few respects: one, it directly cites named PLA officials as sources (all of whom confirm the construction) and two, it mentions specific ways the new carrier will improve on the capabilities of the Liaoning.

Fonte ..... "Chinese Admirals Spill the Beans on New Aircraft Carrier" .....
http://thediplomat.com/2015/03/chinese- ... t-carrier/
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[richelieu]

Tu chiamale, se vuoi ... ambizioni ...

Beijing’s ambitions for a large aircraft carrier have gained more clarity, with the emergence of detailed artist impressions of the Xian KJ-600 airborne early warning & control (AEW&C) aircraft, as well as satellite imagery of a Chinese shipyard.
Recent artists impressions posted on social media offer more details about the Xian KJ-600, which is expected to be a key part of future People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) carrier air wings.
While the provenance of the impressions are not clear, they are consistent with previous images of the aircraft, which resembles the Northrop Grumman E-2 Hawkeye in service aboard US and French carriers.

... flightglobal.com ... "More hints about Beijing's aircraft carrier ambitions" ...
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[richelieu]

La seconda portaerei cinese all' attracco nella base navale di Yulin ...

... flightglobal.com ... https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... at-462449/ ...