Un problema risolvibile con poco, mi dicono....richelieu ha scritto:the only problem is the budget




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Già ..... volarci è ..... "Magico" .....MatteF88 ha scritto:
Videozzo promozionale...con qualche pilota che esprime il suo entusiastico parere sul velivolo
http://defensetech.org/2012/07/10/flyin ... ilots-say/Flying the F-35 is ‘Magic,’ Pilots Say .....
Lungi da me difendere la Lockheed, ma le pretese del JSF di racchiudere in un unico aereo tre versioni (CTOL, STOVL, CV) (per di più stealth) senza stravolgere piú di tanto la configurazione generale della macchina e raggiungendo determinate prestazioni ha senz'altro giocato un ruolo pesante..credo che anche Boeing col suo sgorbio X-32 non avrebbe saputo fare di meglio (o peggio a seconda dei punti di vista)..sidew ha scritto:le colpe sono della Lockheed-Martin che ha fatto un passo piu lungo della gamba..
Questo è evidente ..... i problemi non li ha di certo creati la politica italiana ..... alludevo semplicemente al fatto che ora, proprio nell'ambito politico, fra i detrattori del programma ci sono anche coloro che, a suo tempo, ed essendo al governo, parteciparono alla scelta del velivolo ..... ed ora si sono schierati a favore della campagna contro .....sidew ha scritto:La politica italiana c'entra poco con i problemi del F35 .....
posso chiedere perchè?richelieu ha scritto:Personalmente ..... ho i miei dubbi sul programma JSF, ma, al punto in cui siamo, penso sia controproducente uscirne ......
Non tanto per considerazioni tecniche ..... che possono sicuramente essere al di là della mia portata ..... quanto per, chiamiamole così, "sensazioni" ..... i numerosi problemi emersi, la dilatazione dei costi, i ritardi accumulati e i vari dubbi e ripensamenti che sono stati esplicitati, oltre che in Italia, anche in altri paesi partecipanti ..... tutte cose, è vero, che, in un programma di tali dimensioni possono anche essere reputate "normali" ..... ma che, messe insieme, mi causano appunto un forte senso di incertezza .....87Nemesis87 ha scritto:posso chiedere perchè?richelieu ha scritto:Personalmente ..... ho i miei dubbi sul programma JSF, ma, al punto in cui siamo, penso sia controproducente uscirne ......
...anche io comunque credo che non convenga ritirarsi ora dopo anni e anni che eravamo interessati al progetto e abbiamo pagato per esso. Però mi chiedevo:
In caso l'Italia uscisse e ritirasse l'offerta, dovrebbe pagare delle penali di contratto? perderebbe la faccia?
E perchè no ..... magari tornando ai bei tempi delle Aerobrigate articolate su tre gruppi con 25 aerei per gruppo ..... facendo un pò di conti, sia pure alla grossa, sarebbero almeno 500 aerei ..... anzi ..... di più ..... e più se ne acquistano ..... più il prezzo scende .....Vultur ha scritto:Se è per la faccia, tranquillo/a: l'abbiamo già persa anni or sono.
Se è per i miliardi di penale, ne dobbiamo così tanti a un sacco di gente che oramai miliardo più miliardo meno che differenza fa?
Tanto vale ordinare F35 a squadroni interi, ma che dico a squadroni, a stormi, a sciami ....
Potremo dire di avere un cacciabombardiere stealth e di V generazione col quale fare il mazzo al cattivone di turno87Nemesis87 ha scritto:Grazie mille! molto interessante!![]()
...a questo punto non capisco dove sarebbe la parte vantaggiosa nell'aver speso cosi tanti soldi per un aereo che a me piace moltissimo, ma di cui non vedo l'utilità che potrebbe ricavarne l'Italia.
Probabilmente mi sono perso qualcosa...
First Air National Guard pilot starts transition to F-35 .....
By: Dave Majumdar (Washington DC - 8 hours ago)
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The US Air Force's 33rd Fighter Wing (FW) has started training the first Air National Guard (ANG) pilot on the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter at Eglin AFB, Florida.
Major Jay Spohn, chief of standards and evaluation at the 33rd FW's operations group and member of the Florida Air National Guard (FANG), flew his first transition flight in the F-35A-model jet on 16 July. After five more flights, he will be qualified as an F-35 instructor pilot.
"I felt much more comfortable on my very first flight in the F-35 than I did two and half years ago on my first flight in the [Boeing] F-15C or ten years ago on my first flight in the [Fairchild Republic] A-10," Spohn says. "I attribute that directly to the quality of training I received here at Eglin."
Spohn adds that the F-35 is a joy to fly. "The aircraft flies just like the simulator-which is a good thing," he says.
Having flown only one sortie and accounting for the operating restrictions on Eglin's F-35s, Spohn says he is not able to offer any meaningful opinions about the aircraft's tactical capabilities just yet. But the F-35's future capabilities, which will eventually be released to the 33rd FW, look very promising for all of the mission types he has flown before, he adds.
But even with the limited flight envelop released to Eglin for training, Spohn says that some of the F-35's characteristics are already apparent. The jet's subsonic acceleration is excellent.
"I think it compares very favorably to the F-15C," Spohn says. "I would say the acceleration in a straight line is absolutely comparable to the F-15C equipped with [Pratt & Whitney F100-PW]-220 engines that aircraft is a pretty spy performer, if you will, and it compared very well with that."
Though pilots at the Florida base are currently only flying the most basic of training sorties, some of the instructors are starting to undertake more tactically oriented flights. "The guys who have been checked out have done some very basic tactical intercepts," Spohn says. "But obviously it's difficult to get a real feel for how the aircraft handles when you are operating within a restricted envelop like that."
Colonel Andrew Toth, commander of the 33rd FW, adds that those sorties are flown in one-versus-one setups with a chase aircraft. "They basically drive straight through at the merge and go to opposite points," Toth says. "No BFM [basic fighter maneuvers]."
Meanwhile ground crews are also finding the F-35 easy to work with compared to older machines, says Master Sergeant Brian Rowlands. "It is a lot simpler than the F-15C, which is what I came off of."
Organizationally, it is significant that the ANG is getting involved with flying the F-35 this early on. Spohn is one of two ANG pilots at Eglin; the other is the wing's deputy operations group commander. There are also two US Air Force Reserves pilots assigned to the base. The pilots are not part of an ANG associate setup found at other bases, the Guard officers are fully embedded into the unit, Spohn says.
"The fact that we're in the Guard is transparent to most people," he says.
That is part of the goal of the USAF's total force integration effort-a seamless USAF with little distinction between the active, Guard and Reserve components.
Fonte ..... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... ip-374511/Asked if the USMC and UK F-35B variant was in any danger of cancellation due to impending budget cuts, Panetta says that DOD remains fully committed to the F-35 project.
UK to order fourth F-35B next year, Hammond says .....
By: Craig Hoyle (London - 3 hours ago)
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The UK has taken delivery of its first of three F-35B Joint Strike Fighter test aircraft at Lockheed Martin’s Fort Worth site in Texas, while defence secretary Philip Hammond has announced plans to order a fourth example next year.
Short take-off and vertical landing aircraft BK-1 will soon be transferred to Eglin AFB in Florida to join US-led initial operational test and evaluation (IOT&E) of the F-35.
Hammond also revealed that the Ministry of Defence currently favours the Royal Air Force’s Marham base in Norfolk to become the main operating site for its F-35B Lightning IIs, "but that no decision has yet been made". Land-based trials of the type are due to commence in the UK in 2018, following the nation’s involvement in the IOT&E phase of the programme.
To be flown by RAF and Royal Navy pilots, the UK’s F-35Bs will also be operated from at least one of the latter service’s future two Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carriers from around 2020.
Fonte ..... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... 5b-374565/USMC hopes to leverage USAF’s F-22 experience when deploying F-35B .....
Welsh Excited About F-35, but Still Has Concerns ....
While the F-35 strike fighter remains a cornerstone of the Air Force's modernization portfolio, the program's cost and development timeline remain points of concern, Air Force Chief of Staff nominee Gen. Mark Welsh (1) told the Senate Armed Services Committee on July 19.
"Our manufacturing process, our assembly line, is not up to speed running to the level we'd hope it would be at this point in time, which means we have not been able to build and deliver jets on schedule or on an accurately predicted cost," he said.
Absent the ability to "clearly identify" the cost to procure and operate the jets, "then we really have no idea how many airplanes we can afford," he added.
Welsh said if confirmed as CSAF, staying focused on controlling cost and keeping pressure on the F-35 contractor to perform as promised "would be a daily event" for him.
Despite the concerns, Welsh said he's "excited" about the F-35 because "the nation needs it."
Plus, "there's some good things happening" with the F-35 test program and "production schedules are starting to meet the expected windows now," he said.
(Welsh's (2) responses to advance questions)
—Marc V. Schanz
Links ....
(1) .... http://www.af.mil/information/bios/bio.asp?bioID=7550
(2) .... http://www.airforce-magazine.com/SiteCo ... 2welsh.pdf
Lockheed to deliver 18 more F-35s this year .....
By: Dave Majumdar (Washington DC - 8 hours ago)
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Lockheed Martin has delivered 12 F-35 aircraft to the US Department of Defense so far this year, but the company is contracted to deliver 30 aircraft in 2012. That means the company must build 18 more jets this year, which gives the company five months to deliver those remaining aircraft.
"Production activities are continuing to progress. In our second quarter, we delivered three production aircraft. Since then, we've delivered seven additional aircraft, bringing year-to-date production deliveries to 12," says Christopher Kubasik, Lockheed's chief operating officer and soon to be president. "Included in this total is the first international aircraft delivered to the United Kingdom."
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A total of "just over 70 aircraft in production flow," Kubasik adds. Already there are 19 aircraft stationed at Eglin AFB, Florida, eight test aircraft at Patuxent Naval Air Station, Maryland, and six more test aircraft at Edwards AFB, California. "The F-35 programme is making good progress," he says.
Lockheed's chief financial officer Bruce Tanner adds, "We're going to finalize deliveries of all the LRIP [low rate initial production] 2 aircraft, all the LRIP 3 and a pretty good portion of LRIP 4 aircraft this year."
The company has also received a $490 million contract for LRIP 7 long-lead production items this quarter, Kubasik says. That allows Lockheed to start "procurement activities" to begin for the 35 aircraft expected in that production lot.
Fonte ..... http://www.dodbuzz.com/2012/07/26/repor ... employees/Lockheed Martin has asked its employees for suggestions on how to lower the cost of its F-35 Lightning II, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reports.
Questo è il consiglio che il CSM dell'USAF uscente, generale Norton Schwartz, ha sentito la necessità di dare al suo successore, generale Mark Welsh, affinchè, nel programma JSF, vengano evitati i problemi inerenti all'erogazione di ossigeno che hanno afflitto, in questi ultimi due anni, il "Raptor" .....“Test deep. Test thoroughly. Test continuously” .....
Fonte ..... http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... 481011.xmlU.S., Lockheed Reach Deal On Israeli F-35s .....
Fonte ..... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... sa-374839/Israel wins F-35 equipment battle with USA .....
Tale scelta comporterà pertanto anche una rotazione di reparti .....Luke Named Home of F-35A Pilot Training Center
Luke AFB, Ariz., will host the Air Force's F-35A pilot training center, announced Secretary Michael Donley.
The base will bed down a total of 72 F-35As in three squadrons, according to an Aug. 1 Luke release.
http://www.luke.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123312354
The first strike fighters will arrive between late 2013 and mid 2014, depending on production schedules.
"This is a great day for Luke. Our selection for F-35 training ensures the long-term viability of our mission of training the world's greatest fighter pilots, which we've been doing at Luke for seven decades," said Brig. Gen. Jerry Harris, 56th Fighter Wing commander.
http://www.af.mil/information/bios/bio.asp?bioID=13952
The Air Force's record of decision cited Luke's facility and ramp capacity, range access, favorable weather, and capacity for future growth as reasons why the base won.
Luke beat out Air National Guard sites in Boise, Idaho, and Tucson, Ariz., as well as Holloman AFB, N.M., for the training mission.
http://www.airforce-magazine.com/DRArch ... ision.aspx
Luke will also serve as an international partner training site for the F-35A.
Eglin AFB, Fla., already hosts the initial joint F-35 schoolhouse.
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Fonte ..... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... me-375051/Meanwhile, the USAF announced its second training location for the F-35 earlier today.
72 of the single engine stealth aircraft will be stationed at Luke AFB, Arizona.
The desert base currently serves as the main training base for the USAF's Lockheed F-16 fleet, but those aircraft will be shifted to Holloman AFB, New Mexico.
Holloman's current fleet of Lockheed F-22 Raptors will move to Tyndall AFB, Florida, where they will fly with the soon to be reformed 95th Fighter Squadron.
Fonte ..... http://defense.aol.com/2012/08/02/early ... ated-to-r/Early Hill Praise For Next JSF Director As Deputy Nominated To Replace Venlet .....
Fonte ..... http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... 482027.xml“We think the stealth protection will be good for 5-10 years, but the aircraft will be in service for 30-40 years, so we need EW capabilities [on the F-35] that can be rapidly improved,” a senior Israeli air force (IAF) official tells Aviation Week.
“The basic F-35 design is OK. We can make do with adding integrated software.”
Fonte ..... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... fb-375444/F-35 flight training accelerates at Eglin AFB .....
"During our first week of flying in March, we had two flights scheduled.
Then in the fourth week of May we had twelve sorties scheduled and eleven flown.
Now in August we are planning a standard of sixteen F-35A sorties a week," said Lt Col Lee Kloos, commander of the wing's 58th Fighter Squadron.
"In September we will go to a planned twenty-sortie week as our standard."
Fonte ..... http://www.flightglobal.com/news/articl ... th-375582/First Dutch F-35 flies around Fort Worth .....
Fonte ..... http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... tices.htmlFirst Dutch F-35 Flies, But Nobody Notices .....