BER - Berlin Brandenburg Airport Willy Brandt

[N176CM]

E' notizia di poche ore fa, ormai ufficialmente confermata anche dalle compagnie aeree, che il nuovo aeroporto di Berlino che avrebbe dovuto essere inaugurato il 3/6 non verrà aperto, sembra per problemi legati alla sicurezza antincendio.
Senza dubbio una pessima figura per la Germania.
Per ora non ho altre informazioni, ma sia AirBerlin che Lufthansa mi hanno confermato la notizia, ahimé avrei dovuto partecipare ad un volo speciale di AirBerlin in concomitanza con l'inaugurazione.

[N176CM]

Safety is number one priority: Technical issues concerning fire protection installations make deferral of opening of Berlin Brandenburg Airport necessary
08.05.2012 .New Berlin Brandenburg Airport will commence operations after summer holiday period

.The new Berlin Brandenburg Airport will open later than planned. This con-clusion was reached by the airport operator in view of the latest findings gathered over the past few days. Up until now the project leadership team was convinced to be able to meet the deadline of the opening on 3 June, also with regard to the technical requirements concerning safety. Following several crisis meetings over the weekend, the project leadership team has reached the conclusion that the completion and subsequent acceptance tests of certain safety relevant installations was no longer possible by the planned opening date. The airport operating company therefore decided to change course 27 days before the planned opening to prevent any potential shortcomings in the area of safety.

In view of these developments, the airport operating company has decided to take the following steps:


Preliminarily putting a stop to the move of air traffic from Schönefeld and Tegel to BER
Deferral of the opening of the new airport until after the summer holi-day period

Recently the planned inauguration of the airport on 3 June 2012 has be-come a race against time, and at the moment 7,000 construction workers are currently working on Europe’s largest airport construction site. The Open Days on 12 and 13 May which were planned some time ago are not affected by the deferral of the opening date.
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http://preview.berlin-airport.de/en/pre ... /index.php

[MarcoGT]

E chi aveva prenotato un volo?
La mia ragazza ha prenotato LIN - BER con LH (l'hanno addirittura chiamata qualche giorno fa per un cambio di orario)

[N176CM]

Meglio aspettare qualche giorno.
Al call center italiano di AirBerlin sono caduti dalle nuvole e mi hanno ringraziato per averli informati
Quelli di Lufthansa mi hanno detto che hanno ricevuto la notizia, ma che al momento i voli non sono ancora stati modificati, arriveranno comunicazioni nei prossimi giorni.
Immagino che chi aveva i voli per l'inagurazione otterrà il rimborso integrale, mentre i voli dei giorni successivi saranno spostati da BER a TXL. Il LIN-TXL opera già da qualche mese, continuerà ad operare da/per TXL fino all'apertura di BER.

[mermaid]

io avevo una mezza possibilità di andarlo a vedere poco prima dell'apertura.....

[N176CM]

Si creerà il caos perchè in concomitanza con l'apertura di BER, LH apriva nuove rotte internazionali e dubito che TXL abbia la capacità per sopportare tutto il traffico aggiuntivo. Quindi ci saranno voli cancellati, se non intere rotte cancellate e procrastinate all'orario invernale. Una bella botta in arrivo temo

[MarcoGT]

Ma prima dell'apertura di BER esisteva un LIN - Berlino (TXL o SXF)?

Edit: ho letto ora il tuo post sul LIN - TXL

[N176CM]

Ma prima dell'apertura di BER esisteva un LIN - Berlino (TXL o SXF)?

Sì è qualche mese che c'è il LIN-TXL, è una coppia di voli (durante la settimana, non ricordo se sono due o uno solo nel weekend). Il secondo volo arriva la sera tardi, l'aereo dorme a LIN, generalmente un 737, e riparte la mattina presto.

[MarcoGT]

Bah...vediamo

In questo caso, si può cambiare itinerario? Ossia modificare il LIN - BER cambiando la destinazione finale? Ovviamente senza sovrapprezzo...visto che il volo è stato prenotato per fare un venerdì - domenica a Berlino...

[JT8D]

Riporto l'articolo del nostro Portale:

http://www.md80.it/2012/05/08/rinviata- ... andenburg/

Vi sono dei problemi sugli impianti di sicurezza, sembra antiincendio in particolare, e quindi non si riesce a effettuare tutti i test, in modo da garantire la massima sicurezza ai passeggeri, entro il 3 Giugno. Gli spostamenti dei voli previsti verso BER subiscono chiaramente uno stop, l'apertura è ora prevista dopo l'Estate. Le compagnie, airberlin in particolare sono decisamente inca**ate (vedi thread su airberlin in area Compagnie Aeree, dove ho riportato l'articolo dal Portale con i commenti di airberlin al rinvio dell'apertura), e si prevedono forti perdite economiche a causa di questo slittamento. Non ci voleva . Stavolta la proverbiale efficienza teutonica ha leggermente fallito... !!

Paolo

[JT8D]

Airberlin prende le contromisure: proseguirà naturalmente a volare da Tegel, cercando di adattare il suo schedule (che era ottimizzato su BER) al vecchio aeroporto. Contatterà personalmente tutti i pax interessati:

http://www.md80.it/2012/05/09/rinvio-ap ... lin-tegel/

Paolo

[N176CM]

Non capisco invece il totale silenzio di Lufthansa a due giorni dalla notizia. Non ho trovato nemmeno un comunicato stampa ufficiale nella sezione tedesca del sito e, cosa ancor più grave, ancora stamattina sono regolarmente prenotabili voli da e per BER

[FAS]

questi vanno sempre al 150% anche nell'essere idioti......

efficienza tettesca

[MarcoGT]

Non capisco invece il totale silenzio di Lufthansa a due giorni dalla notizia. Non ho trovato nemmeno un comunicato stampa ufficiale nella sezione tedesca del sito e, cosa ancor più grave, ancora stamattina sono regolarmente prenotabili voli da e per BER

Anche io non ho ancora ricevuto comunicazioni...

[Defiant]

questi vanno sempre al 150% anche nell'essere idioti......

efficienza tettesca

Non vorrei sbagliare e neanche scatenare un flame ma non mi sembra che il BBI sia il primo aeroporto al mondo a subire un ritardo nell'apertura. E dubito anche che LH si atterrerà in mezzo a un cantiere. Sicuramente la situazione è complessa ma immagino che in qualche modo la risolveranno. O almeno lo spero. Ho un volo prenotato per BER con Easyjet e spero di non ritrovarmi a Cracovia.

[N176CM]

questi vanno sempre al 150% anche nell'essere idioti......

efficienza tettesca

Non vorrei sbagliare e neanche scatenare un flame ma non mi sembra che il BBI sia il primo aeroporto al mondo a subire un ritardo nell'apertura. E dubito anche che LH si atterrerà in mezzo a un cantiere. Sicuramente la situazione è complessa ma immagino che in qualche modo la risolveranno. O almeno lo spero. Ho un volo prenotato per BER con Easyjet e spero di non ritrovarmi a Cracovia.

Easyjet ha comunicato che continuerà ad operare da SXF, quindi niente Cracovia

[MarcoGT]

I miei voli per BER risultano ancora "confirmed"

[PizzOne]

E' stata fissata una nuova data per l'apertura: 17 marzo 2013.
Fino ad allora si continuerà a volare su Tegel e Schönefeld.
Fonte Welt online

[N176CM]

Alla faccia del dopo estate....

[MarcoGT]

Ho appena finito di parlare con LH.
Tutti i voli verranno riprotetti su TXL con gli stessi orari in cui volavano su BER

[MarcoGT]

Ref: http://www.aviationweek.com/Article.asp ... guid=52089

May 14 , 2012
Lufthansa and Air Berlin will claim damages from Berlin Airports to compensate for the delayed opening of Brandenburg International Airport (BBI).

The airport company last week conceded that the planned June 3 opening date for BBI cannot be maintained, with CEO Rainer Schwarz citing issues with the terminal fire protection system. Numerous reports have since indicated that other aspects of the projects also are lacking, and according to one article, the airport’s completion is two months behind schedule.

Air Berlin is hardest hit by the delay because the airline was about to introduce a six-wave hub-and-spoke system with the new airport, which it cannot implement at Berlin Tegel Airport. Lufthansa, too, has plans to boost capacity in Berlin 40% when it shifts operations to BBI.

The two large German airlines now want to start operations at BBI at the end of October, when demand is weaker, reflecting an initial launch plan for 2011 before delays pushed the opening to June.

Brandenburg Prime Minister Matthias Platzeck and Berlin Mayor Klaus Wowereit last week pushed for a new opening date at the end of August, but given industry opposition, that is becoming increasingly unlikely.

[JT8D]

Confermato anche dalla società di gestione dell'aeroporto che l'apertura sarà il 17 Marzo 2013:

http://www.md80.it/2012/05/19/aprira-il ... andendurg/

Paolo

[JT8D]

Airberlin continua ad essere particolarmente arrabbiata, in particolare dopo l'annuncio che l'apertura sarà il prossimo anno:

http://www.md80.it/2012/05/21/airberlin ... simo-anno/

Paolo

[JT8D]

Lufthansa è pronta a partire, tra pochi giorni, con il suo programma di espansione su Berlino, che interesserà anche varie città italiane, con voli diretti verso la capitale tedesca. Naturalmente per ora tutto ciò sarò basato su Tegel:

http://www.md80.it/2012/05/22/lufthansa ... r-berlino/

Paolo

[PizzOne]

L´apertura slitta ancora..
Adesso si parla di fine ottobre 2013!

[SHINRA]

La famosa precisione tedesca...

[mormegil]

A proposito di efficienza tedesca...

Airport Delays Undermine Image of German Efficiency

The ambitious Berlin airport project conceived two decades ago as a glittering symbol of German unification and the city’s importance as a global hub has hit yet another delay and may not open before late next year, officials said Tuesday.

An opening originally set for last year, then this past June and then postponed until next March, may now be pushed back again — until at least October 2013.

Officials cite various technical and budgetary problems that have turned the Berlin-Brandenburg Willy Brandt Airport — now estimated at more than €4 billion, or $5 billion, an estimated €1.2 billion over budget — from an emblem of German know-how into a source of local embarrassment. And it does not help that cabin crews for the country’s flag-carrier airline, Lufthansa, are on strike, stranding travelers at airports that include Berlin’s aging, overburdened Tegel airport.

The endless series of delays, coming atop several recent breakdowns of the city’s main commuter railway and its main soccer team’s dropping out of the country’s premiere league has made Berlin, despite its flair for making the down-and-out seem attractive, the butt of jokes across the country. “Berlin — we can do everything, but nothing right,” is the motto that German media organizations have lately proposed.

But the setbacks at the airport could have more serious consequences, particularly for two local politicians — Matthias Platzeck and Klaus Wowereit — who are on the airport’s board and have staked their reputations to the project. Both are members of the Social Democrats, the opposition party to the government of Chancellor Angela Merkel. Members of her administration and other lawmakers have called for the two to step down from the board.

Mr. Platzeck, premier of Brandenburg, the largely rural state that surrounds Berlin, confirmed Tuesday that the airport’s board had been advised to abandon the March deadline as unfeasible. The board, which had planned to meet next week to complete a new timetable and proposals for additional financing, will now meet on Friday.

Spokesmen for the airport and the main project partners — the city of Berlin, the state of Brandenburg and Germany’s federal government — declined to comment on the new opening date ahead of that Friday meeting.

But one government official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to discuss the matter publicly, confirmed that the airport’s new chief operating officer, Horst Amann, had proposed at a meeting with stakeholders late Monday that the opening be postponed until at least Oct. 20, 2013.

‘’We think this sounds like a more realistic date,” Oliver Wagner, a senior vice president at Lufthansa who is in charge of the airline’s Berlin operations, said in response to the reported new date. Mr. Wagner has been keeping close tabs on the airport-in-progress, where Lufthansa has invested €60 million in new lounges and jet maintenance facilities.

“For us, the issue has always been that quality comes first,” Mr. Wagner said. “It has never been a matter of sacrificing reliability for speed.”

But, he added, “the whole industry has certainly been suffering from this situation.” And he acknowledged the problems caused by the strike at his own company. “It is a bit sad for the image of the industry,” he said. “This is what really what worries me most.”

The delayed airport was envisioned at the time of Germany’s reunification as a central aviation hub for the Berlin in place of three — Tegel, Schönefeld in the former East Germany and the now-shuttered Tempelhof in the former West — that would serve both as a gleaming symbol of a united capital and attract new travelers and commerce to and from northeastern Europe.

Berlin-Brandenburg, with expected capacity of up to 45 million passengers per year, was also expected to relieve mounting congestion at the capital’s much-loved but well-worn Tegel. Air traffic in Berlin has more than doubled since 2000 to around 24 million passengers per year, and Tegel, designed for a maximum capacity of around 7 million, now struggles to accommodate around 17 million.

Schönefeld, whose terminal is 18 kilometers, or 11 miles, southeast of the capital and adjacent to the new airport site, has until now been the main portal for low-cost carriers, including easyJet, Lufthansa’s Germanwings subsidiary, and Ryanair.

The Berlin-Brandenburg dream quickly transformed into a nightmare of politicized wrangling among leaders of debt-plagued local government. There have also been the challenges from residents of well-heeled suburbs in Brandenburg and the southwest of the capital, who fought bitterly to have the proposed flight patterns changed to avoid noise pollution. Others living near the existing airport were against the added congestion the new one could bring. Preservationists, meantime, fought the project on architectural grounds. Years of protests and legal challenges ensued.

Then, in mid-2010, the main engineering firm overseeing the airport’s construction filed for bankruptcy protection, throwing off an initial opening planned for October 2011 by seven months, to June of this year.

But by late last year, aviation industry executives said, it was clear that construction was far behind schedule, threatening the June deadline. Among the hang-ups: blueprints detailing the complex routes of critical cables for the airport’s security systems contained major errors; delays in the baggage sorting equipment, and the snags in the installation and testing of fire-safety equipment.

By this spring, “the number of open issues on the list kept growing instead of shrinking,” said one senior airline executive, who insisted on anonymity to avoid alienating government officials.

It was not until May 9, less than a month before the scheduled opening, that project officials and the board conceded the timeline could not be met and a new start date of March 17, 2013 set.

The 11th-hour decision forced airlines, which had already published their summer travel schedules and sold thousands of tickets for flights into and out of the new airport, into a scramble to regroup.

Mr. Wagner of Lufthansa, which had expected to operate more than 1,000 flights per week from Berlin-Brandenburg this summer, said the carrier was managing, so far, in maintaining its schedule with a minimum number of delays. Like most other carriers, he said, Lufthansa planned to seek significant compensation from the airport for the delays.

But Air Berlin, which carries more than 220,000 passengers in an out of the German capital each week — well ahead of Lufthansa, at 143,000 – has been the hardest hit. With the help of a sizeable investment last year from Etihad Airways of Abu Dhabi, the company, which has not recorded an annual profit in four years, is seeking to transform itself from a primarily low-cost carrier to a full-service network airline. Key to that strategy was the new airport, which it planned to use as a hub for connecting domestic passengers to a broader menu of inter-continental routes.

In an e-mail Tuesday, Mathias Radowski, an Air Berlin spokesman, said the airport was deferring comment until after Friday’s airport board meeting. But he stressed that its current base at Tegel was “not dimensioned for the high number of flights operated there at the moment.”

He added: ‘’We would be pleased not to spend another summer on Tegel airport.”

Analysts said they remained puzzled why the airport’s troubles went unacknowledged for so long, particularly in a country that famously prides itself on its efficiency and technical prowess.

“Obviously the problems were a lot deeper than they anticipated,” said Cathy Buyck, an aviation analyst at the Center for Aviation in Brussels. “But they are Germans after all. They are supposed to be organized.”

Nicola Clark reported from Paris. Melissa Eddy contributed reporting from Berlin.

nytimes.com

[N176CM]

La versione tedesca è un po' più edulcorata (nel senso che è meno polemica e più concreta) ma la sostanza non cambia.

Berliner Flughafen, die dritte

Der neue Chefplaner für den künftigen Hauptstadt-Airport zieht die Notbremse: Weil Pleiten, Pech und Pannen nicht enden, will er das ramponierte Renommierobjekt nun erst im Herbst kommenden Jahres eröffnet wissen.

Der neue Hauptstadtflughafen Berlin-Brandenburg (BER) soll Medienberichten zufolge erst im Herbst 2013 eröffnet werden. Das melden übereinstimmend der "Rundfunk Berlin-Brandenburg" (RBB) und die "Berliner Morgenpost" unter Berufung auf Aufsichtsratskreise. Es wäre bereits der dritte geplante Termin für die Einweihung des Airports.

Brandschutzanlage funktioniert weiter nicht

Die für den 14. September angesetzte Aufsichtsratssitzung werde auf kommenden Freitag vorgezogen, hieß es in den Berichten. Der neue Chefplaner Horst Amann werde als neuen Eröffnungstermin einen Termin Ende Oktober, voraussichtlich den 20. oder 27. Oktober, nennen, schreibt die "Berliner Morgenpost". Am Montag hätten der Regierende Bürgermeister Klaus Wowereit und Brandenburgs Ministerpräsident Matthias Platzeck (beide SPD) über das weitere Vorgehen beraten. Der neue Airport Berlin-Brandenburg sollte eigentlich im Juni in Betrieb genommen werden. Wegen Problemen beim Brandschutz war die Eröffnung schon einmal auf März 2013 verschoben worden.

Die Probleme auf der Baustelle in Schönefeld nehmen indes nicht ab. Die Brandschutzanlage funktioniere immer noch nicht, berichtet die Zeitung. Die Bauarbeiten ruhten derzeit fast vollständig. Amann wolle, um weiteres Chaos auf der Baustelle zu vermeiden, erst alle Planungen für das Milliardenprojekt aktualisieren, erfuhr die "Berliner Morgenpost" aus Regierungskreisen.

Probleme auch bei der Gepäckausgabe

Am vergangenen Freitag inspizierten demnach Experten des Bundesverkehrsministeriums den Flughafen. Dabei habe Amann deutlich gemacht, dass die Bauarbeiten erst "in einigen Wochen" wieder voll aufgenommen würden, heißt es in dem Blatt weiter. Zuvor seien Probleme wie die richtige Belegung von Kabeltrassen zu lösen und weitere Anlagentests nötig. Derzeit werde nur noch an den Pavillons für den Check und für die Flugsicherheitskontrollen gebaut.

Der Verkehrsausschuss des Bundestags will die Baustelle am 12. September besichtigen, auf der nach wie vor die Brandschutzanlage die größten Probleme bereitet. Die technischen Abläufe funktionierten auch deshalb nicht, weil die Planungen der Firmen nicht aufeinander abgestimmt seien, so die "Morgenpost". Die Pläne seien nicht einmal vollständig. Auch seien bis Mitte Juli lediglich 15 von 140 Notfall-Szenarien erfolgreich geprüft worden. Zudem arbeiteten Teile der Gepäckausgabe und Gepäckförderanlage nicht.

da http://www.dw.de

[mermaid]

Vielen Dank Fabri.....

[N176CM]

Vielen Dank Fabri.....

[bulldog89]

Vielen Dank Fabri.....

Quotone

[Peretola]

Da (ormai) abitante a Berlino, posso dirvi che la faccenda BER ha dell'incredibile.
I berlinesi, e i tedeschi in generale, sono indignati dall'inefficienza dimostrata in questa situazione: oltre ai noti problemi riguardanti il sistema antincendio, i giornali riportano anche torbidi intrallazzi politici tra il sindaco Wowereit e le aziende a cui sono stati appaltati i lavori di realizzazione del nuovo aeroporto. Per il momento non posso fornire delle fonti precise, dato che sono accuse "fresche fresche", ma prometto che lo farò al più presto.

Resta purtroppo il danno economico (alle compagnie aeree), di immagine (per la città e per la Germania) e personale (posso scordarmi per lungo tempo un volo diretto per Firenze, senza dover fare atroci giri negli scali di tutta europa)

[camicius]

Stasera al TG2 hanno detto che dovranno abbattere gran parte del terminal internazionale per carenze strutturali del sistema antincendio.

Mi faccio un cartello da alzare tutte le volte che mi porteranno la germania come esempio di efficienza e di efficacia...

ciao
Andrea

[MarcoGT]

Mi faccio un cartello da alzare tutte le volte che mi porteranno la germania come esempio di efficienza e di efficacia...

Scusa ma che significa?

[camicius]

Mi faccio un cartello da alzare tutte le volte che mi porteranno la germania come esempio di efficienza e di efficacia...

Scusa ma che significa?

Questo è un esempio di inefficienza e di inefficacia.
Tutto il mondo è paese, purtroppo...

ciao
Andrea